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Re: The Framework Laptop

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This would be perfect think to spin off your own machines. Imagine downloading a Kicad files for motherboard, adding your own stuff, sending off to JLCPCB or similar for assembly and then stuffing into the laptop shell.

KiCAD is not the calibre of an EDA you would use to make PC motherboard.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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This is something i need. I just can't bring myself into purchasing a laptop of any brand due to the black boxing and lack of upgrades. Sticking to desktop until this stagnated market exist the cave.

In terms of design i value optimal decisions without going into extremities such as thinnest possible at all costs. Logo on the CRT-level of thickness bezels - nonsense.

Bookmarking this and waiting for the reviews.

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laptops without an rj-45 ethernet connector are just dumb. it's perfectly feasible to integrate one. just look a the dell latitude 7390. really, look at it: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/eB6gGRDZWSYT4XW6SeSMtf-120...

That's just a place to gather junk. People rarely use rj-45 these days, that's why it's not present on most laptops.

If by people you mean consumers, then yes, if you mean corporate/tech workers, then no.

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Another laptop with arrow keys so small they're unusable. No usable arrow keys means useless computer. What is wrong with laptop manufacturers making these broken keys standard? There's hardly any laptop left I could buy. A bit longer and I will have to drag an external keyboard everywhere just to use my laptop. Or just forgo laptop at all and start carrying some miny PC. It's insanity.

I certainly can understand the frustration. To offer another point of view, I’m not sure I’ve touched my arrow keys once in the last several years. I might have, but I don’t remember it if I did.

Yeah I understand not everybody has the same use pattern. But my right hand about /lives/ on those keys half of the time. I got a new work laptop a few months, some 13inch Fujitsu with same arrow keys. It's also not a matter of time; I /still/ cannot properly use them. And though I'm Caucasian, I do not even have big hands. I honestly do not get it, there is easily enough place even on 13 incht laptops..

Re: The Framework Laptop

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> install your preferred Linux distribution.

Where do I sign? I can't help but wonder if those won't be more expensive than a same specs Laptop. It would totally be understandable but still...

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Well, HN will love this. Moddable laptop with a good webcam? Nice. But: - I really dislike the arrow keys not having the air gap above left and right. You’d think they’d learn that from the MacBook butterfly keyboard era. - it’s a little disingenuous to say “no adapters” when in fact their little expansion cards are merely adapters that insert into the chassis of the laptop. Only four I/O ports is a little tight (des…

For me, the huge trackpad in the middle front is the problem. Centred trackpads, weren't a problem when they were about 1/2 the size, but they've steadily been getting bigger and bigger. Now almost all laptop trackpads are at a size where the base my thumb and the edge of my wrist brush against them, causing endless false touches. If I'm typing for any length of time on a laptop, I now always disable the touchpad and…

The MacBook trackpad somehow knows when you’re not touching intentionally... so I agree with you in theory but on that laptop specifically the palm rejection is good enough that it doesn’t matter.

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Keyboard and touchpad quality were high priorities for us. We built in 1.5mm key travel, which is unusually high for a <16mm thick laptop. The touchpad surface feels great and performs well. I hear you on the touchpad buttons though. That is something we've done a little exploration on. The touchpad is an end-user replaceable module, but we can't commit to a three button version materializing just yet.

Key travel isn't everything. The layout is important as well. This is the best layout humanity ever invented: https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_processed_/c/0/csm_... Classic arrow keys, separate volume buttons, separate back/forward/pageup/pagedown, F1-F12 as the primary functions, …

Full-sized (full-height!) F keys, full-sized inverted-T arrow keys, dedicated Ins/Del/Home/End/PgUp/PgDown keys, and the Menu key (as on the Thinkpad) would be ideal.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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With an aluminum rather than magnesium or other body, how bad do you anticipate the flex will be?

Reinforcing fins can do quite a bit. Macbooks don't have a lot of flex. However, Apple has some patents that cover building up solid aluminum with stir welding instead of CNCing out of a solid block. You might have to challenge that patent (prior art, Boeing patents that may be older) to make it cheap, but if it's enthusiast targeted, an extra 50 bucks or whatever might be just fine for people.

You cannot weld aluminium, or at least not on the cheap.

The only real "weldable aluminium" known today are scandium-aluminium alloys which are both hard to get, and expensive.

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I was dreaming about such a laptop only a few days ago (admittedly with an IBM/Lenovo-like keyboard). Do you offer ANSI keyboards for European countries? It would be great if a nordic keyboard layout was an option and easily swapable.

We have both ANSI and ISO layouts, and we've designed the keyboard to be end-user replaceable. We'll be adding more keyboard languages as we expand into more countries. The clear keyboard shown in our product photos is actually real too! We'll be offering clear and blank for the people who want that.

Is the ISO layout an actual ISO, i.e. with an extra key between the left Shift and Z?

By the way, I’d love to have a Trackpoint or an equivalent. Or a trackball.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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I know trackpads won, but would love a trackpoint. I keep buying Thinkpads solely for that feature.

I don't use the trackpoint often on my ThinkPad, but I wouldn't buy a laptop without it. It's impossible to use the touchpad in a confined space such as an airplane (economy class) or a bus.
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