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Post by lallysingh »

samizdis wrote: post #181
arcturus17 wrote: post #150

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They've got the street cred but producing and marketing hardware is so damn hard. Ouya and the Essential phone are two cases that immediately spring to mind where the founding teams were credible, but the products ended up being massive flops. Good luck to them anyway. The idea is cool and I think if I were on the lookout for a Linux laptop and they delivered on their quality promise, I'd consider them.

Yes, I remember being particularly disappointed when Google's Project Ara [1] to create a modular mobile phone was shelved. It seemed like a fantastic idea, and I truly thought that Alphabet/Google had the cash/clout - and will - to deliver. Still, I haven't lost my optimism just yet. As you say, good luck to Framework with the laptop project. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Ara

They were competing with their partners, that was always going to end poorly. It could only ever be an experiment.

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Post by robotnikman »

ppezaris wrote: post #195
XorNot wrote: post #90

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Apple burns almost all of their space savings on making the machine thinner, to the point of absurdity. Apple is content to push everything into dongles (which you have to carry around anyway) to get it thinner. The point at which I can't have a wired RJ45 ethernet port is already ridiculous - that is not a thick connector. Same with fullsize USB ports. Battery life there are hard limits as well: nobody is making a l…

I'm sorry who is using RJ45 ports on a laptop these days? Seems like that question was asked and answered years ago, and wifi has won.

At work when at my desk. If every device in the office were on Wifi, things would be a mess

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Post by sjs382 »

sleepybrett wrote: post #217
lovelyviking wrote: post #155

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>I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. How it proves it? Those guys do not drop ports, they just make them modular. All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires. I still dream to meet the one who made such 'wise' decision to tell him what I think about it personally! >USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. I am…

I'm down to exactly one adapter in my bag. One usb-c male to usb-a female stubby little guy. If I'm heading to someplace where I think I might need more than 1 usb-a port or a situation where I might need a bit of a usb hub I just pack this little 'dock dongle' that's about three inches long and an inch wide that has three usb-a ports (2x3.0 1x2.0), an hdmi port, a sd and tf card slot, an ethernet port, an audio jack…

I'm down to one, too. And for what it's worth, I've used it about 5 times since I got my M1 in December: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B085ZQZXFX

If "using it on your lap, without something hanging" matters to you (like the parent) and you wanted something more 'rigid', things like this exist: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/product/B07PCP5J4Z

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Post by leojfc »

CarVac wrote: post #172

I'd love a laptop where the keyboard is a removable PCB with low-profile switches and integrated USB connection so you can make a custom layout, like the Mitosis or ortholinear or anything you please.

Yes, I would buy any laptop which offered an ortholinear keyboard option, with customisable firmware.

I switched to using an Ergodox after long hours working on a MacBook Pro made my wrists start to hurt and my pinkie finger to go numb (and this was back in the day when a MBP keyboard was still decent!). I can still type full speed on a regular keyboard but it doesn’t feel as comfortable, and I think there’s a genuine health issue at least for some people.

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Post by desmap »

Nirav, I don't want to be the guy but yeah. One the one side, I like that somebody finally takes care of products we really need—notebooks. That somebody enters the hardware game, one of the hardest spaces to conquer. On the other side, I am a bit underwhelmed.

I mean this must the dream of every engineer, designer and 13-year old. Designing your own notebook. And what's the results? It's good, I would buy one, maybe. But is it a gadget I think of before I fall asleep?

This logo, then the centered trackpad (are you serious?), huge clumsy bays nobody asked for and a non-centered displays. Worst, a design that doesn't dare, that is afraid to go beyond the Macbook comfort zone, something that wants to be liked, something Chuwi and BMAX, two low-end Chinese brands, would have designed better. Btw, celebrating this reparability feature, maybe you should check out what Schenker/XMG/Clevo or the Thinkpads do for years. Not that all of aforementioned are dealbreakers but IDK, let's says they do not make a good first impression.

Look at following non-iconic notebooks[1]—I don't compare yours with iconic brands, this wouldn't be fair—but look what other non-premium brands are able to create. These are gadgets I dream of and you should think of restarting the project, seriously, I mean are you happy with this yourself or would Jobs be?

[1]

Brand new Chinese Yoga 14S https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/comments/kifq5i/lenovo_y...

Brand new Asus Flow X13 https://www.reddit.com/r/eGPU/comments/l5fq7a/asus_rog_flow_...

Razer Book 13 https://www.razer.com/productivity-laptops/razer-book-13

Asus G14 ACRONYM limited editon, https://rog.asus.com/microsite/ROG-ZEPHYRUS-G14-ACRNM/

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PS: If anyone disagrees, pls comment and let me know where I am wrong thanks.

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Post by recursive »

sgustard wrote: post #251
lovelyviking wrote: post #155

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>I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. How it proves it? Those guys do not drop ports, they just make them modular. All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires. I still dream to meet the one who made such 'wise' decision to tell him what I think about it personally! >USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. I am…

> All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires It's a reasonable tradeoff. Imagine your laptop with the power supply built in instead of as an external brick.

You mean I could charge with any cable? How do I get it?

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Post by hinkley »

belval wrote: post #169

Lot of optimism in the comments, but unless they have their supply chain pinned down I really really doubt that it will ship in any significant quantity in Summer 2021. The truth is that right now most components are insanely hard to get, not just GPUs and they will have to play the bidding game (which will make their laptop significantly more expansive) or delay. For a small volume like theirs, there is a non zero p…

I'm on a kickstarter that was supposed to ship in the fall and they've had quite a lot of trouble working with manufacturing partners to sort out quality control and pick one. Harder to discuss a physical object when you can't be in the same room.

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Post by dfgdghdf »

Reading down the proposed spec sheet, I'm starting to see how crappy the competition is!

* Apple MacBook - Nothing configurable. Expensive and not build to be repaired.

* Microsoft Surface - Much the same, but with Windows

* Lenovo Thinkpad - A little more configurable than a MacBook, and much better value, but still difficult to repair. Missing premium features like an Aluminium case.

* Dell XPS 13 - Much like the Lenovo, but the Linux option is nice.

If they pull this off, developers are going to love it. I really wish them the best.

My advice? Make sure it works _flawlessly_ with the top 3 Linux distributions.

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Post by tomtheelder »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #230
likesfwlaptop wrote: post #91

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Hello, glad you're here but I'd urge you to remember that while a minority at HN is highly knowledgeable and technical, hn is an hive-mind opinionated niche and hope that you'd make decisions that widen your reach among general populace so that your firm survives to make money and eventually more such laptops. (Also, hopefully your laptop will play with linux as well as Lenovo's at some point in future).

Pretty rude and then you ask them to focus on Perhaps there are more urgent tasks for "targeting the general populace to reach profitability".

I think you've interpreted the comment you replied to completely backwards.

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Post by xyzzy_plugh »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #128
Razengan wrote: post #122

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> a wired RJ45 ethernet port is not a thick connector. ……………

There are ultra-slim foldable RJ-45 connectors[1], which manufacturers could use if they could be bothered but they don't, because they would rather save the BOM cost of it and advertise the WiFi capabilities instead. Only Fujitsu use them AFAIK. [1] https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/12/8/16750574/p...

I've seen them on some ASUS laptops as well.
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