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Do you really need an explanation of why a multibillion dollar company wasn't removed and why a fringe app was?

We just want people to admit that the reason was a lie

I don't see how we can recover and heal until the truth is admitted to. Everyone knows it to be true, but they can't admit it. Time to come clean, or continue to inflame the situation.

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> Isn't the goal of any sort of political activism to get more people to vote the way you do? yes, but not THINK. The last thing activism wants is for people to think and consider the alternative.

What a cynic way to look at things. Anti-war activists in the 60s didn't want people to think? Pro-democracy protests Warsaw Pact countries, in Hong-Kong? Anti-capitalist activists today, even vegan activists?

Go to a group of BLM or antifa activist protest and tell them you voted for Trump, see how that works out for you. Not all activists do not want you to think, but that doesnt change the fact that the majority are against it.

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Worse than that, it is an attempt at intimidation. Given today's climate, it would not surprise me if it works. Look at it this way. The capital riot on 6-Jan was planned and discussed on Youtube, facebook, and twitter. Apparently, barely a mention on Parler. Yet Parler was excoriated and deplatformed for it, and for not policing its comment sections. Yet Youtube, facebook, and twitter have faced no consequences for…

This is disinformation. https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2021/02/01/civil-war-... https://nypost.com/2021/01/16/aoc-slams-facebooks-mark-zucke... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/twitter-blocks-qanon-accounts-c...

No, it really wasn't dis/mis information. You can't just label facts you don't like, that go against a narrative that you wish to be true, as disinformation. Twitter, Facebook, and many others do this. They specifically stifle discussion that runs counter to the narratives they wish to promote.

That's their choice as private companies. But holding them to account for this, when they claim they wish to be "fair" definitely begs the question of what their definition of "fair" is. It makes for a rather Clintonian discussion.

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I don't watch MSNBC (or any TV news for that matter), but I'm curious how their reporting has changed since Biden was sworn in. It's easier to report facts that 'speak truth to power' when your bias is opposed to who currently holds power. Biden has delayed, compromised on, or walked back nearly every campaign promise he made. Has MSNBC been calling out these discrepancies between campaign rhetoric and implementation…

The Biden administration has been in power for a month. I think you are being a bit hyperbolic about its failure and lack of criticism by msnbc. Which campaign promises have been rolled back if I can ask?

$2000 checks, ending kids in cages, $15 minimum wage, $50k student loan forgiveness

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All of the "evidence" here is from sources like the Washington Examiner and "The RF angle" Are you kidding me? If you want real evidence of "irregularities" look elsewhere, its certainly not here.

You’ll be hard pressed to find a media organization that actually bothered to investigate things instead of immediately claiming Trump’s allegations were false. Personally, I think that’s the primary reason the riot happened.

There's plenty of evidence/public court rulings which thoroughly debunk these claims.

Why should I believe anything that supports trump. He said "we have the virus under control." Yea, let's believe his cronies. Give me a break.

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What a cynic way to look at things. Anti-war activists in the 60s didn't want people to think? Pro-democracy protests Warsaw Pact countries, in Hong-Kong? Anti-capitalist activists today, even vegan activists?

Go to a group of BLM or antifa activist protest and tell them you voted for Trump, see how that works out for you. Not all activists do not want you to think, but that doesnt change the fact that the majority are against it.

If you go to an anti-X protest and proclaim you voted for X how can you reasonably expect not to be told to fuck off?

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> Incorrectly yelling Fire in a crowded theater is illegal No it's not. See Brandenburg v. Ohio.

It was made more specific in Brandenburg v. Ohio but it was not overturned. ie, if someone is falsely yelling fire in a crowded theater which is "speech brigaded with action" then it is a situation where a person could be prosecuted for speech. They used that very example. Edit: People can read it themselves: https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/395/444 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio Fire…

And "speech brigaded with action" would still have to pass the muster of being "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action". One would have to prove a criminal element (almost always a mens rea) in addition to such speech rather than holding the presumption that the words themselves carry a distinguishing factor among other things. You're right to say it's prosecutable (although technically anything is prosecutable), however what you appear to allude to (and I could be wrong in assuming that of your claim) is that "yelling fire in a crowded theater" is prima facie unprotected speech. If so, then that hasn't been true since the Brandenburg test was instituted.

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Go to a group of BLM or antifa activist protest and tell them you voted for Trump, see how that works out for you. Not all activists do not want you to think, but that doesnt change the fact that the majority are against it.

If you go to an anti-X protest and proclaim you voted for X how can you reasonably expect not to be told to fuck off?

That is precisely the problem. The expectation is abnormal (for the modern age and standpoint of Enlightenment values) and harmful.

Look beyond the proverbial horizon of contemporary America, and see that in civilised societies, the appropriate response would be tolerance at the very least, possibly an exchange of minds in the form of inquiry or discussion.

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I believe this is the same logic being used to sensor covid deniers, false cures, and fraudulent election crackpots like our last president. The latter type of lie incites people to insurrection and riles up violence, the other two cause people to do things that may kill themselves or others.

Last time I checked no court of law had convicted the former President of any criminal offense. So, no, I don’t see how that logic was used to censor him. Same for false cures to diseases, nobody imprisons pseudoscience witch doctors for recommending vitamins to cure cancer. (Maybe if they claimed to be a medical doctor?) If that were so, I know of a half dozen people in Boulder that would’ve been in jail by now. Cer…

He got off on a technicality. Even many of those that voted not to convict said that they thought he was guilty. They just didn't think they could convict a non-sitting president.

False cures for diseases, yes, people absolutely go to jail or receive massive fines. Sometimes on charges of fraud, sometimes on charges of endangerment. If your fake cure doesn't actually do harm (and is just useless) then you can usually get away with it. A quick google search will show you multiple stories about criminal charges for fake covid cures.

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post #598

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If you go to an anti-X protest and proclaim you voted for X how can you reasonably expect not to be told to fuck off?

That is precisely the problem. The expectation is abnormal (for the modern age and standpoint of Enlightenment values) and harmful. Look beyond the proverbial horizon of contemporary America, and see that in civilised societies, the appropriate response would be tolerance at the very least, possibly an exchange of minds in the form of inquiry or discussion.

It’s ridiculous for the very least response for all ideas to be tolerance when there are some ideas that shouldn’t be tolerated at all. For example racism , by any means, shouldn’t be tolerated. Activists against racism shouldn’t be expected to tolerate the very thing their advocating against.
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