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Re: The Framework Laptop

#81
post #72

Very disconcerting to launch a laptop without any mention of battery life.

Apologies for that. We packed in a 55Wh battery and are using popular silicon and a display that is used in several other popular notebooks, so you can use those as a reference point. We didn't want to state a figure in hours until we wrap up our firmware work and can release reproducible benchmarks for it (since battery life marketing statements tend to be pretty questionable).

Re: The Framework Laptop

#82
What is really needed is a common chassis. A common carcass that allows me the put whatever I want inside it. If I want a pinebook[1], I want to be able to put pinebook guts inside it, if I want a mnt reform[2], I want to be able to put mnt reform guts inside it.

Too bad eoma68[3] is still sci-fi.

[1] https://www.pine64.org/pinebook-pro/

[2] https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2020-05-08-the-much-more-p...

[3] https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop

Re: The Framework Laptop

#83
This is awesome, has the same "spirit" of the Fairphone. I think this is the direction the industry should be moving. However it will not be easy to break this vicious and wasteful cycle that feeds many companies nowadays.

Re: The Framework Laptop

#84
This looks great, I _really_ hope this becomes sustainable and a long running model.

I've upgraded my laptop just in 2020, but when Ryzen-based mainboards and some high-bandwith plugins (10 Gbit SFP+/RJ45 or Thunderbolt) become available, this will definitely go on the list. So best of luck to you to become mainstream, so that these niche-parts can be cross-financed ;)

Re: The Framework Laptop

#85
post #20

Will it run with completely free software? The limiting factor for lasting is not hardware but required proprietary software.

Our Embedded Controller firmware is fully open source. We're using a proprietary BIOS solution at launch, but that is something we'd like to fix in the future.

Re: The Framework Laptop

#86
post #61

Well, HN will love this. Moddable laptop with a good webcam? Nice. But: - I really dislike the arrow keys not having the air gap above left and right. You’d think they’d learn that from the MacBook butterfly keyboard era. - it’s a little disingenuous to say “no adapters” when in fact their little expansion cards are merely adapters that insert into the chassis of the laptop. Only four I/O ports is a little tight (des…

The arrow keys were an interesting challenge. We actually prototyped both versions, and the full height ones ended up feeling better to most folks. It's definitely a matter of personal preference though. The Framework Laptop comes in at 15.85mm thick and 1.3kg. So a couple of sheets of paper thicker than a 13" MacBook Pro, but a bit lighter. On the Expansion Cards, that is fair. We can say we're getting rid of the ne…

How modular is the keyboard? I can see a replacement sat next to the case in the photo, but is the layout cut in to the case?

If you can make an alternative case with an (e.g.) 12x5 1u grid layout keyboard that lets me put my thumbs to use and stop contorting my fingers, I will more of less open my wallet and let you take what you fancy!

Re: The Framework Laptop

#87

Love the logo on the back of the screen. No stupid slogans, just the cog, looks great! It makes no rational sense, but I'd want to own one just for that. Hope there's gonna be a touchscreen version! After all, a UI that you can't touch is like coffee that you can't smell.

I didn't get the idea of a touchscreen laptop until I got an iPad recently, now I'm constantly trying to touch my laptop screen and then getting confused when I doesn't do anything.

Re: The Framework Laptop

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you implying they’re going to stop you from popping Ubuntu on it somehow? [Edit: Thanks for all the replies citing driver blobs and proprietary BIOS issues, totally slipped my mind that that was a concern, makes a ton more sense now.]

He is just asking if it can reach the same level in terms of freedom as the laptops listed here: https://ryf.fsf.org/categories/laptops

Ah, that makes sense, I’d totally forgotten about proprietary driver blobs/BIOS issues.

Re: The Framework Laptop

#89
This is really cool, but I feel like the industry is missing something like ATX for laptops.

That's what I really want. And hell, come out with a mini-ATX for laptops if you're concerned dimensions won't end up competitive.

Re: The Framework Laptop

#90
post #60

I don't see any information on the licensing of the adapter card / inter-module interfaces. Can others build a Framework laptop without approval? Can others build cards without approval? Will it be a platform? Tell me how this isn't a Nespresso machine for silicon pods. :-) Edit: To be clear, even a "we have a generic base laptop and you can pick your I/O" concept is potentially a nice value prop, but it'd be good if…

They're just USB-C dongles that snap into the chassis.. You can see better shots here: https://frame.work This is an unpopular opinion, but I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. This solution is sort of clever but it sacrifices a ton of internal space that could have been spent on a bigger battery. USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. (the Nespresso analogy is ridiculous, a la…

Apple burns almost all of their space savings on making the machine thinner, to the point of absurdity.

Apple is content to push everything into dongles (which you have to carry around anyway) to get it thinner. The point at which I can't have a wired RJ45 ethernet port is already ridiculous - that is not a thick connector. Same with fullsize USB ports.

Battery life there are hard limits as well: nobody is making a laptop with more then 100Wh, because that's the limit that you can carry onto an aircraft.

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