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The U.S. Air Force just admitted the F-35 stealth fighter has failed

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The saddest thing about all of this IMO is they have been working on this for 14 years, and how much money was spent/wasted? Now, read about Skunkworks - they were able to build the SR71 (without supercomputers) in less than half that time and for a fraction of the cost. This isn't just planes, this seems to be everything nowadays. Fission was discovered in 1938/1939 and we dropped two bombs on Japan in 1945. No chan…

You may be overreacting to one news story. The US Air Force designed the F-35 successor and built a prototype much faster and less expensively - in just one year - using advanced digital engineering and manufacturing simulations:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25797112

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This has got to be my favorite astroturfing conspiracy. Imagine the US government paying people to convince the oh so important programmers at HackerNews that their jet fighter is effective.

If that's you're favorite astroturfing conspiracy, what's your favorite astroturfing reality? Was it Microsoft astroturfing blogs in 2014? https://www.pcworld.com/article/2365060/microsoft-caught-ast... Or perhaps it was astroturfing of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America? https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2016/02/new-patient-... Or perhaps the energy industry? https://www.thenation.com/art…

They might not be sincere but part of me is becoming tempted to start defending The F-35 just to get a rise out of people like you.

Re: The U.S. Air Force just admitted the F-35 stealth fighter has failed

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The saddest thing about all of this IMO is they have been working on this for 14 years, and how much money was spent/wasted? Now, read about Skunkworks - they were able to build the SR71 (without supercomputers) in less than half that time and for a fraction of the cost. This isn't just planes, this seems to be everything nowadays. Fission was discovered in 1938/1939 and we dropped two bombs on Japan in 1945. No chan…

They've been at this for more than 14 years. I was accidentally part of both the Boeing and Lockheed F-35 teams, and that was 23 years ago. For a humorous take on the U.S. military platform problem, look for a movie called The Pentagon Wars [1] starring Kelsey Grammar and Cary Elwes. It came out in 1998, and very little has changed since then. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144550/

The movie was based on a book of the same name written by Colonel James Burton, highly recommended. It is a history of how and why the kinds of scope creep occurred in the DoD procurement. Eerily prescient.

Re: The U.S. Air Force just admitted the F-35 stealth fighter has failed

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> The root of the F-35 program's problems is a cost plus style contract that gave Lockheed every incentive to overrun I’m fond of the saying “once you understand people’s incentives, you understand everything” as it applies to contracting. I will add, however, that fixed price contracts have their own problems as it relates to cutting corners. E.g., it can put downward pressure on retaining talent and performing best…

I am not trying to be a smart ass but how about this for an human incentive: Build us plane that fulfills these outlined objectives, that meets are budget requirements, or we will shop somewhere else.

Your main error is a simple assumption: that both parties are honorable.

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The Finnish air force is in the final stages on deciding the purchase of next-gen fighters to replace the aging F/A-18 Hornets. I wonder how this might affect the decision process.

(Currently on the short list are: F/A-18 EF Super Hornet, F-35A Lightning II, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and JAS 39E/F Gripen.)

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You still have to shoot down a fighter jet to disable it. An enemy can't hack the pilot remotely and safely land it on their own air strips, which has happened with drones.

If the plane is connected to anything else, it can be hacked. Just because it hasn't been reported yet doesn't mean it's impossible or even that it hasn't happened.

If that is possible then its also possible to hack the communication to the pilot and social engineer him to do what you want.

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The saddest thing about all of this IMO is they have been working on this for 14 years, and how much money was spent/wasted? Now, read about Skunkworks - they were able to build the SR71 (without supercomputers) in less than half that time and for a fraction of the cost. This isn't just planes, this seems to be everything nowadays. Fission was discovered in 1938/1939 and we dropped two bombs on Japan in 1945. No chan…

IMHO innovation isn't linear: when you discover something new (say the combustion engine for example) you make great progresses at first but then you spend decades or even centuries refining these progresses.

Add to this the office politics, corruption and big players crushing any hint of competition and you have general stagnation.

I have read about the eventual failure of the F35 for years now. The naysayers had solid arguments but were ostracized by people with conflict of interest.

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I believe one of the objectives of the F-35 was for the plane to be able to fulfill all kinds of different roles. That idea in itself seems pretty much impossible for me. Especially on a budget.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQ2lO3ieBA

Wonderful! Thanks for that.

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Hmm, If I were the Indian govt. I'd atleast attempt to sell the Tejas to the US. Engine is American anyway (GE-404), Israeli radar and avionics compatible with a lot of Western block missiles. Would be an interesting reversal of fortunes. It's sad that the F-35 is in this state. The whole "sensor fusion" (no doubt, overhyped) sounded interesting. I am curious as to how well implemented the same system is on the SAAB…

The Tejas is terrible. There's a reason why India is trying to buy better aircraft.

No they are not. There are requirements for various configurations of planes (Single engine, Twin engine, stealth) and Tejas fills one of them. Besides they just ordered 83 from HAL. There is a Mark 2 also in the works , apart from newer twin engine designs.
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