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Canada's parliament votes to label China's persecution of Uighurs as genocide

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Re: Canada's parliament votes to label China's persecution of Uighurs as genocide

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This is largely a (smart) political move by the opposition right-wing party.

Canada is embroiled in a political issue with China right now. They're holding a Huawei exec named Meng Wanzhou at the request of the US, who are investigating Huawei for violating sanctions against China[1].

China retaliated by arresting two Canadians without apparent cause[2]. They're been in jail for two years.

The Conservative party put forth this motion for a vote as a move to put Trudeau's Liberal government in an awkward place: they would either condemn China's treatment of the Uighurs and make the Michaels/Meng Wanzhou situation more painful, or they wouldn't and would appear to condone genocide.

FWIW I suspect Trudeau and the Liberal party do believe Uighur treatment to be genocide (I do). But stating it publicly would make life even more difficult for them.

1- https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46462858

2- https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/two-michaels-mark-two-jailed-y...

Re: Canada's parliament votes to label China's persecution of Uighurs as genocide

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Good to see a stand being taken. Hopefully allows for more pressure put on China to be more humane. Also I think there is too much us vs China going around - another war would be terrible, and even without a war, negative consequences could arise. One world should be the dream we aspire for.

Finally peace in our time!

Re: Canada's parliament votes to label China's persecution of Uighurs as genocide

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post #11

This is largely a (smart) political move by the opposition right-wing party. Canada is embroiled in a political issue with China right now. They're holding a Huawei exec named Meng Wanzhou at the request of the US, who are investigating Huawei for violating sanctions against China[1]. China retaliated by arresting two Canadians without apparent cause[2]. They're been in jail for two years. The Conservative party put…

It's supported by the NDP, Greens, and Bloc as well. In fact, it was all Yay and Abstains.

Re: Canada's parliament votes to label China's persecution of Uighurs as genocide

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I am not sure what term is apporopiate for the horrific treatment, but I found the Economist's point quite valid.

> By the common understanding of the word, it is not. Just as “homicide” means killing a person and “suicide” means killing yourself, “genocide” means killing a people. China’s persecution of the Uyghurs is horrific: it has locked up perhaps 1m of them in prison camps, which it naturally mislabels “vocational training centres”. It has forcibly sterilised some Uyghur women. But it is not slaughtering them.

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> By accusing it of genocide instead, in the absence of mass murder, America is diminishing the unique stigma of the term. Genocide should put a government beyond the pale; yet American officials will keep doing business with the regime they have branded genocidal. Future genocidaires will take comfort

Re: Canada's parliament votes to label China's persecution of Uighurs as genocide

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Good to see a stand being taken. Hopefully allows for more pressure put on China to be more humane. Also I think there is too much us vs China going around - another war would be terrible, and even without a war, negative consequences could arise. One world should be the dream we aspire for.

If we aspire to one world, and that one world is going to be persecuting minorities, who's going to stand up and tell the whole world that it's doing it wrong?

Re: Canada's parliament votes to label China's persecution of Uighurs as genocide

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Good to see a stand being taken. Hopefully allows for more pressure put on China to be more humane. Also I think there is too much us vs China going around - another war would be terrible, and even without a war, negative consequences could arise. One world should be the dream we aspire for.

If we aspire to one world, and that one world is going to be persecuting minorities, who's going to stand up and tell the whole world that it's doing it wrong?

Not snark: in the ideal case, that would be the people.
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