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Canada's parliament votes to label China's persecution of Uighurs as genocide

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Re: Canada's parliament votes to label China's persecution of Uighurs as genocide

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Good to see a stand being taken. Hopefully allows for more pressure put on China to be more humane.

Also I think there is too much us vs China going around - another war would be terrible, and even without a war, negative consequences could arise.

One world should be the dream we aspire for.

Re: Canada's parliament votes to label China's persecution of Uighurs as genocide

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Interesting that the parliament went ahead with a vote, from which the 'leadership' (cabinet) abstained; I wonder what's going on behind the scenes.

>"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and almost all of his cabinet colleagues were absent for the vote. Foreign Affairs Minister Marc Garneau was the only cabinet minister present. When it was his turn, he said he abstained "on behalf of the Government of Canada." "

Re: Canada's parliament votes to label China's persecution of Uighurs as genocide

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post #4

Interesting that the parliament went ahead with a vote, from which the 'leadership' (cabinet) abstained; I wonder what's going on behind the scenes. >"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and almost all of his cabinet colleagues were absent for the vote. Foreign Affairs Minister Marc Garneau was the only cabinet minister present. When it was his turn, he said he abstained "on behalf of the Government of Canada." "

Very strange - does it mean they are not serious about it?

Re: Canada's parliament votes to label China's persecution of Uighurs as genocide

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post #4

Interesting that the parliament went ahead with a vote, from which the 'leadership' (cabinet) abstained; I wonder what's going on behind the scenes. >"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and almost all of his cabinet colleagues were absent for the vote. Foreign Affairs Minister Marc Garneau was the only cabinet minister present. When it was his turn, he said he abstained "on behalf of the Government of Canada." "

Nothing interesting is going on behind the scenes.

1. The Liberals hold a minority government, and whipping the entire party rank and file into voting against the motion would not prevent it from passing.

2. The cabinet doesn't want to piss China off, and doesn't want to give their opponents ammunition (by voting against the motion), so it didn't show up to the vote.

3. This provides the cabinet with freedom of action, to quietly apologize to China in private, while not looking bad domestically. Or, alternatively, if world sentiment supports this position, and other parliaments and governments follow suit, this gives them the option to come out in support of this condemnation.

4. This will make a few rounds in the news cycle, maybe result in a small adjustment in foreign policy, but will not result in a major political shift in Canada.

tl;dr - the opposition is hammering the Liberal Cabinet on the morality of this issue, the rank-and-file Liberals go along with it, because they either have a conscience, or don't want to lose elections, while the Cabinet is playing Realpolitik.

For Americans, you can think of the Cabinet as the executive branch of government - closer in powers to the President, and their subordinate agencies. But unlike a President, the Cabinet, and the Prime Minister [1] can be removed by a 50/50 vote in Parliament.

[1] The Prime Minister in particular can also be removed by a 50/50 vote of their own party.

Re: Canada's parliament votes to label China's persecution of Uighurs as genocide

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post #4

Interesting that the parliament went ahead with a vote, from which the 'leadership' (cabinet) abstained; I wonder what's going on behind the scenes. >"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and almost all of his cabinet colleagues were absent for the vote. Foreign Affairs Minister Marc Garneau was the only cabinet minister present. When it was his turn, he said he abstained "on behalf of the Government of Canada." "

Very strange - does it mean they are not serious about it?

The government is officially reprimanding the act but they personally shield themselves from backlash. Win-win, cake and eat it too, etc. Every politician does this (because the ones that don't fail to remain politicians for long).

Re: Canada's parliament votes to label China's persecution of Uighurs as genocide

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post #4

Interesting that the parliament went ahead with a vote, from which the 'leadership' (cabinet) abstained; I wonder what's going on behind the scenes. >"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and almost all of his cabinet colleagues were absent for the vote. Foreign Affairs Minister Marc Garneau was the only cabinet minister present. When it was his turn, he said he abstained "on behalf of the Government of Canada." "

These types of moves are usually not looked upon favourably by China, and might risk the fate of the two Michaels (who were locked up in retailation for Meng Wanzhou's arrest).

Re: Canada's parliament votes to label China's persecution of Uighurs as genocide

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Interesting that the parliament went ahead with a vote, from which the 'leadership' (cabinet) abstained; I wonder what's going on behind the scenes. >"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and almost all of his cabinet colleagues were absent for the vote. Foreign Affairs Minister Marc Garneau was the only cabinet minister present. When it was his turn, he said he abstained "on behalf of the Government of Canada." "

If they didn't abstain, China would likely respond with tariffs, costing Canada billions. They're also worried about the two Michaels, a couple of Canadians imprisoned in China that have been used as political pawns for the past few years.
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