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GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

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Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

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I agree with how you've painted GameStop and Bitcoin as the nihilistic struggle against the establishment. However, I disagree with your conclusion. You make a pretty bold argument that underpins the whole conclusion so that's what I'll focus on:

> Bitcoin doesn’t work, it’s a naked speculative bubble based on a technology that doesn’t scale can’t and can’t replace any existing financial service

When you say Bitcoin doesn't work, what are you referring to? As a medium of exchange, you're correct: it doesn't work. But the narrative in crypto communities is that Bitcoin is becoming a store-of-value. Under that narrative, Bitcoin is "working": it's replacing gold as a store of value. We're seeing institutions expand their portfolios to include BTC. There are additional arguments for why Bitcoin may be a better hedge against inflation than gold or oil. Here is an interesting analysis by Winklevoss twins [1]

There's more to cryptocurrency than Bitcoin. Today, there are over 4,000 crypto tokens out there and they're each solving various use cases with varying success. One particular thriving area is Decentralized Finance (DeFi) which creates decentralized exchanges, market makers, lenders/borrowers that aim to disrupt traditional (centralized) financial structures. As proof that there's something here, decentralized exchanges are taking market share from centralized ones - which are valued at $100B.

Or consider the more visionary take on cryptocurrencies: decentralized computation networks that create economies for network participants. Centralized businesses must act in the interest of shareholders and are built to extract as much value from their product as possible. Decentralized computation networks, on the other hand, do not. They can (and are) constructed to be minimally extractive, taking only what is needed to reward network participants & secure the network. Thus, the value capture is distributed across all network participants, enabling new forms of humans organizing together to achieve a common goal. Check out [3] if you're interested in learning more.

I hope this spurs your curiosity to dig into cryptocurrencies beyond just the surface. Thanks for writing the article!

[1] https://winklevosscapital.com/the-case-for-500k-bitcoin/ [2] https://defipulse.com/ [3] https://smartcontentpublication.medium.com/the-purpose-and-v...

Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

#92
post #38

> And so we see Gamestop story fall out of that. In a nutshell a bunch of retail investors (possibly with help from institutional insiders) decided to pump a small cap stock far beyond what the valuation of the company should be. This completely ignores the fact that the stock was shorted over 100% of float, and people knew it was going to squeeze so they bought in hoping to ride the wave. And that did in fact happen…

Strong agree. This is a lazy polemic. Take, for instance, this one amazing part: > Goldman Sachs, Citadel, Andersen Horrowitz those guys are making transaction fees "Andersen Horrowitz"? Does the author have any idea who he is criticizing or what industry they're in? > Failing microcap stock GME is not a microcap stock, and it was not a microcap stock, even before this entire saga > I make no pretense that I don’t de…

> > I make no pretense that I don’t despise the bitcoin philosophy

> Erroneous double negative here, does he even proofread his own work?

I think he got this part right.

I make [no] pretense that I do [not] despise the bitcoin philosophy ---> I {admit} that I do despise the bitcoin philosophy.

Unfortunately, this is one of those weird English phrases where the more you look at it, the weirder it is. I'm actually less confident of this now having written it out and reread it multiple times.

Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

#93

> This isn’t some David vs Goliath moment. This is Goliath drinking champagne while David dances for his amusement. This is great. Sums it up.

I know for him ironically making fun of soundbite memes like drain the swamp I thought it was a very well written article with some amazing quotable passages. Definately helps I agree with the contents though

"Buying lottery tickets and trading manipulated crypto assets are both a tax on the poor and disenfranchised."

Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

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post #26

> Everyday I see a world where many in my generation have simply given up all hope for opportunity of a family, a house, a stable career and forced to confront an uncertain future in a world that is slowly boiling itself to death. South Korea and Japan are 10-20 years ahead of the same curve here. However, the result has been resignation and stagnation, not revolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampo_generation h…

What countries have successfully resisted the movement of money to the rich over the last 20 years?

None, its a global issue for globalized world.

I am finishing reading the Code of Capital, very interesting look at this exact issue (though bit though for me to go through)

Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

#95

> Let’s state the uncomfortable truth. The future for many Americans is bleak and their lives are going to be nasty, brutish and short. Everyday I see a world where many in my generation have simply given up all hope for opportunity of a family, a house, a stable career and forced to confront an uncertain future in a world that is slowly boiling itself to death. But why? Why can't more kids get into STEM fields? Why…

> Why can't more kids get into STEM fields?

Because not everyone is predisposed to be a programmer, engineer or statistician. Not everyone can become a whitecollar worker. This is reality of the world we live in, no amount of though experiments will change that.

What you are really doing is blaming victims of a system set against those people.

Our society should be built so those people can have decent lives too. Ie minimum wage should provide you with above poverty life. Currently in some cities 3 minimum wages are barely that.

I am not talking about giving poor people money for palm beach holidays twice a year. Working in McD should be enough to pay for an small apartment bills and food and sending you kids to school.

What current situation created is that middle class has to subsidize the social welfare for working class people - WORKING people. Ie middle class pays part of wages of minimum-wage workers because they are in poverty while holding a full time job(s).

Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

#96

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Except bitcoin derives its value from...USD. It’s there because you can buy and sell with...USD. You see where I am going?

Value is subjective. For me, Bitcoin has value because it can't be inflated, and I can carry it on my head over any country's frontier without governments harassing me because of it. Sure, Bitcoin is a means to an end, I can only "use" it by exchanging it for something else, but so is any other currency.

If US govt banned bitcoin and the exchange of it to USD, bitcoin will go to zero. And no one will be willing to defend it because it’s quite literally backed by nothing tangible or intangible.

Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

#97
"Let’s state the uncomfortable truth. The future for many Americans is bleak and their lives are going to be nasty, brutish and short."

I find it funny how first-worlders are horrified by the idea that they might have to live in mild discomfort. Maybe try looking at how most of the world that isn't the US and Western Europe lives before saying people's lives will be "nasty, brutish and short" because they won't be working some low-skill 9 to 5 for 40 to 50 years while making 6 figures and then retire with the rest of their lives pretty much planned out for them.

Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

#98
post #86

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I'm happy that the state has the ability to seize illegal funds from people. Outside of minarchists and a few others, there aren't many people who think that completely lawless wealth is a good plan.

In the West we have reasonably decent government. In other countries, not so much. You are a law-abiding citizen today, and tomorrow you are a criminal whose assets should be seized. Just ask my family that fled communism!

Btc won’t protect you against a government that is willing to show up to your house and send you to Siberia or shoot you in the head. The “sweet spot” of a sufficiently corrupt country where seizing wealth is common but Btc would protect you is pretty small.

Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And why are teachers teaching liberal ideas? Maybe because the rationality of non liberals and non progressives leads to a pissed off and subversive underclass. If we are being rational, why not fix the system to produce "more rational" teachers. Programmers and financiers are not the best at shaping childrens minds, its not like those fields teach about childhood development.

> its not like those fields teach about childhood development. I agree, Pedagogical science fits in STEM and I think it's very important we deeply invest in childhood development. I mostly think the subject matter of school is questionable, not the fact we go to school (hence why I suggested we also fund STEM degrees for anyone smart enough to finish it)

I agree, however, I do think liberal arts is essential to being a humanist engineer. And personally, I want to be producing engineers who's main focus is improving quality of life.

People I talk to who dont have the range of wide education miss a lot of context for the world they are living in, temporaly, politically, and socially. And would push to keep it a necessary part of that stem education.

Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

#100

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Well one way to look at it is Bitcoin is up against USD because USD is suffering massive inflation. Thus, BTC is doing its job.

That's obviously false, given that the price of steak is not up ten million fold or whatever over the last decade.

Housing, health care and education are all massively inflated. The price of steak isn't a major expense in comparison.
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