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Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by nojito »

jeltz wrote: post #179
3np wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I think it's stupid and would never dream of going in that direction with my staff (the most talented would probably bolt fast), in principle I see nothing wrong with it as long as: 1) The employer has paid for all necessary hardware 2) If anything goes through third-party services, I can work on the tracked environment in a way that doesn't expose my personal information in any way (e.g. I shouldn't be require…

I don't feel any of that solves my main issue: that I would not want to work for someone who does not trust me. That does not seem like a good environment where I can be productive and work on things which benefit my employer. The privacy issues is not the only issue. The only case I would accept something like this is if I was working at eg the NSA, a really high value target for state actors. Then I would get why n…

It's not a question of trust, it's a question of time tracking for hourly employees.

I agree that if you are a salaried employee this type of tracking software makes no sense.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by DebtDeflation »

ecmascript wrote: post #102

LinkedIn is really a disgusting place imo. The only people who are active on LinkedIn is people that sells bullshit and recruiters who spam everyone. I have no trust in linkedin and I am sure this new feature will be as low quality as usual, on par with the low quality stuff on fiverr and upwork.

Even worse, many large companies now monitor employee LinkedIn activity as a measure of "market eminence" and "thought leadership" for performance reviews and promotions. Like everything else, it gets distilled down to a single metric like activity count. Which is why you see so many people sharing the same articles with a comment like "Really good perspective Joe, could not agree more". Do that a few times per week and you are demonstrating serious thought leadership to your management, as opposed to doing something like creating and publishing original content.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by esperent »

unnouinceput wrote: post #163
Ayesh wrote: post #8

I used to be a freelancer, finding work mainly on Upwork, and I loathe them now. What started as a 10% commission was upped to 20%, and they tried to do various tricks on both clients and freelancers to a point that I stopped doing freelance work altogether. It was a great platform, and I don't think a 10% clear cut wasn't enough for them for an organic growth. Another thing I loathe is LinkedIn. I'm sure many people…

They take 20% for up to $500. Then between $500 and $10K they take 10%. Anything above $10k is then charged as 5% only. And this applies to same client spanning multiple contracts. That means once you get paid $10k, regardless of current or future project(s) from same client they only take 5%. Upwork encourages long term relations between freelancers and clients. On the other hand Fiverr takes always 20%, regardless…

This always struck me as really unfair. If you're taking projects that bring you <$500, you probably really need that money and 20% is a large chunk of it.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by Frost1x »

godmode2019 wrote: post #71
seanwilson wrote: post #31

https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…

What's next, brainwave scanners that only pay you for hours that has atleast 20% gamma wavelength.

If there's a way to reduce costs, it will be done. This is why we have laws to protect baseline rights because they would otherwise be whittled away to nothing.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by simonbarker87 »

mattowen_uk wrote: post #203

For IT dev work, how on earth are people in UK/US/Europe/OZ/NZ going to compete with low-cost devs based in India and Africa ? I see this problem in quote offers on Fiverr, and I have no idea how people in the 'western world' can compete.

Native same language communication skills and same time zone are a big deal for some companies/people.

Similar to why there are a variety of options for most services.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by brtkdotse »

mattowen_uk wrote: post #203

For IT dev work, how on earth are people in UK/US/Europe/OZ/NZ going to compete with low-cost devs based in India and Africa ? I see this problem in quote offers on Fiverr, and I have no idea how people in the 'western world' can compete.

Have you ever actually tried using the low-cost option on Fiverr? They results are, quite frankly, un-usable. The good ones know their worth and charge accordingly.

Simillary, I worked for a Swedish-based multinational that nearshored some of their dev-work to Poland. Well guess what, so did Hertz and Deutche Bank and Ryan Air and a bunch of other multinationals and suddenly the 50% cheaper dev work was down to 10% cheaper.

People won't settle for peanuts just because they're living in a low-COL area, they'll want to get paid what they're worth as well.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by matz1 »

hellbannedguy wrote: post #132
seanwilson wrote: post #31

https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…

We need to put a stop to all electronic surveillance. Cheap tech/software is making it appear everywhere. It’s just going to get more pervasive in the future. I already feel like the wealthy are watching us everywhere. I would like to see most electronic monitoring made illegal. I think we need to set up laws over employer monitoring, even having cameras at work for any reason, even for loss prevention. If they decid…

electronic monitoring is just a tools, it can be use for good or bad, it would be sucks if that made illegal, I would certainly oppose it.

What you want to prevent or make illegal is the usage of electronic monitoring that is harmful, not electronic monitoring itself.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by goatinaboat »

woko wrote: post #73
randomchars wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> little difference than people walking past someone in an open plan office > in its worse its little different from having a micro manager in a on-site office experience That itself is a pretty horrible thing, and I'm glad I don't have to work for people like you.

Yes, it sounds like someone is being paid as a "micro-manager" to check whether others are working. It is very dismissive towards the other employees, and it is very troubling to pay someone at a management level to do such work. Someone whose job only consists in checking over the shoulders of the people doing the actual work should be paid less, not more, than them.

Yes, it sounds like someone is being paid as a "micro-manager" to check whether others are working. It is very dismissive towards the other employees, and it is very troubling to pay someone at a management level to do such work. Someone whose job only consists in checking over the shoulders of the people doing the actual work should be paid less, not more, than them

I hope the "silver lining" of everyone having to WFH due to COVID is that companies realise how little contribution middle managers make to getting work done and hence the bottom line. They are just dead weight, get rid of them and share the spoils between workers and senior managers, it's a win-win.

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