LinkedIn is horrendous - they could actually make it somewhat better by having two views "Colleagues" and "Recruiters" and never the two shall be in the same view.
It would make opening LinkedIn at least not wildly stressful!
LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace
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Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
I work full-time and get monitored like this. Ever hear of Hubstaff? It's an unfortunate reality for some remote workers and I don't agree with it but it happens. There can be an inherent distrust from employers when they're unable to see you physically working. It's more of an assurance thing, but I've gotten used to working exclusively in VM's.
Name company please
Glassdoor should add a field for whether the company uses software like that.
Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace
#153https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…
I signed up for Upwork, a couple of years ago. I knew a few people that had used the platform to hire freelancers, and they raved about it. I never got even one legit lead. Not one. I did, however, get quite a few scammers. One was quite scary. It was a local person, with a crazy project proposal, that kept trying to get me to meet them in person, in remote locations. I nuked my Upwork account, months ago. Even thoug…
Can you say more about what these scammers want? Do they want you to work for them for free?
Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace
#154https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…
That's for when you are working on an hourly basis. I don't know what's wrong with that. That's only to safeguard clients from get billing for hours the freelancer didn't work.
You can work for a fixed price and you won't be tracked.
Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace
#155I wonder if this is big enough for Fiverr stock to take a hit. We'll see.
Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace
#156https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…
I work full-time and get monitored like this. Ever hear of Hubstaff? It's an unfortunate reality for some remote workers and I don't agree with it but it happens. There can be an inherent distrust from employers when they're unable to see you physically working. It's more of an assurance thing, but I've gotten used to working exclusively in VM's.
While I think it's stupid and would never dream of going in that direction with my staff (the most talented would probably bolt fast), in principle I see nothing wrong with it as long as:
1) The employer has paid for all necessary hardware
2) If anything goes through third-party services, I can work on the tracked environment in a way that doesn't expose my personal information in any way (e.g. I shouldn't be required to open my e-mail inbox or any other online accound not strictly tied to my employment there)
3) The employer accepts the time wasted on any friction with moving information back and forth (and/or sees to minimize need for that)
If it means running a VM, up any workstation with 16GB RAM.
Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace
#157Developers become the new Uber drivers.
I'm a bit skeptical. Development work usually lasts months to do anything meaningful, it's pretty hard to call them "gigs". Building a website of reasonable complexity (not some Wix template) is not like designing a logo, which can be done in under an hour.
Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace
#158https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…
I totally agree with your arguments, I would rather live in a fucking shed in the forest than to sell out my privacy like that. Also it seems ridicolously easy to game, just buy a seperate upwork computer and when you go afk, just leave the right program open.
Upwork is even easier to game it than that. use a virtual machine, do the "work" there and minimize it while you play games or whatnot.
But in the end is not about true surveillance, it's about liability in case of disputes between client and freelancer. Source: I work as freelancer on Upwork for 13 years now, only hourly projects and always with their desktop app turned on.
Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace
#159https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…
As someone who worked on Upwork for a long time and literally owe them my career, it was great and I would do it again in a heartbeat. A long time ago I made a living on that platform exclusively. Thanks to Upwork I got to work with US clients and save enough money to migrate back home to the US with my wife and children. By using their time tracker I was guaranteed to get paid for work, they take the doubt out of th…
Presumably you went in early when the platform was still decent.
I tried it in ~2013 and again recently and it's a shit-show. There's no quality control on the demand side so you waste hours sifting through crap like unreasonably low rates or unclear/nonsense requirements, then spend ages writing a proposal just to be outbid by some Indian sweatshop because the rating system has been gamed to death and there's nothing to weed out low-quality suppliers.
Maybe it's good enough if you want to compete with third-world, bottom of the barrel developers and can afford to live on that, but otherwise you'd make more money on average just working at your local fast food joint.
Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace
#160https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…
> Is all this just taking advantage of freelancers who don't know how to market themselves, or am I missing something? It is, sadly. Same with e.g. Toptal, they charge clients $100 for my work and pay me $50-$60, which is still higher than any clients I can find myself. It is frustrating to know they are capturing such a big fraction of my worth to the client just because they talk to the right people and I don't, bu…
Standard consulting billable hourly to salary is about 3x. But that's accounting for So ~2x for work performed doesn't seem that outside industry norms, assuming the platform is delivering value and not just matchmaking.