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Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by AmericanChopper »

tartoran wrote: post #46
Gustomaximus wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use a client like this for new freelancers/employees that are working full time or larger jobs. It is intrusive but 100% is needed for some people or they take the piss. I'm too busy to follow their workload and sit there estimating times of jobs match hours. I check it one a week for ~10min to see hours logged per day and quick random to check its not loads of time wasting. It feels intrusive but there is little d…

How about assessing their work and thats that. Did they finish the tasks on time? Great, no need to snoop on them. Are they bad at the job then maybe try another person. I personally work in spurts and when im active I run through the work very fast then I need lighter tasks to put the work in the back of my head. Im still working on it even if looks like in not. It isn’t anybody’s business how I use my time as long…

> How about assessing their work and thats that.

That’s not so simple with time and materials billing. If somethings taking too long to deliver or is being delivered to a low standard, it could easily be explained by having to deal with unplanned problems (which could also be entirely the clients fault), or it could just as easily be a contractor being slow and/or useless. I’ve worked as a contractor for quite a long time, and the number of complete dead weight contractors I run into is astonishing, and so is the number of projects that go way over budget due to poor planning from the clients. The metric you propose to track doesn’t do such a good job of telling the difference between these two things. This approach doesn’t do a terribly great job of that either, but delivering your work under the conditions chosen by your client is pretty much how it always is for contractors/consultants/freelancers. If they take things too far they won’t be able to attract the high quality contractors in any case.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by _v7gu »

oblio wrote: post #15
chovybizzass wrote: post #2

excellent. fiverr is nothing but trash and upwork only has tops 25/hour jobs in usa. need a legit gig site.

> upwork only has tops 25/hour jobs in usa Honest question, but for IT stuff, why would it have stuff over $25/hour? It's going to be remote work, anyway, so there will be someone, somewhere, in a country with a lower cost of living, that will work for that money or even less. It's only normal that Americans won't be able to compete, over time :-)

short answer: signaling has enough power to stop freelancers from competing on price until zero

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by Teever »

Jommi wrote: post #54
seanwilson wrote: post #31

https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…

If you don't do this as a quality worker, you're basically subsidizing for those that on purpose try to do lower quality work.

If you do this as any kind of worker you're basically enabling a hellish dystopian panopticon future.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by bawolff »

mcenedella wrote: post #19

I’ve been on Upwork as a buyer for years. It’s tremendous for getting great talent on a short term basis. Top rate I’ve paid I think is some close to or just over $100/hour, so it’s definitely not just for low-end stuff. I’ve learned (the hard way) about being very, very clear with deliverables and expectations. Based on the average response I get on Upwork, it would seem the median buyer is much more susceptible to…

> $100/hour, so it’s definitely not just for low-end stuff.

Maybe not low-end, but that's still probably the lower end of mid-end.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by kube-system »

KDJohnBrown wrote: post #51
CryptoPunk wrote: post #28

Hopefully cryptocurrency payments is an option. ZK-Rollups now enable Visa scale throughput for payments on Ethereum so crypto is primed for widespread usage. Linkedin could stick with USDC, which is an FDIC insured USD-backed ERC20 token, to avoid the volatility associated with crypto-assets, while providing a more seamless globally accessible alternative to the legacy banking/payments system. EDIT: privacy is still…

Normally I would scoff at this, but having had to physically chase down customers before over bounced checks, I could really get behind something unreturnable like cryptocurrency.

Of course, people on the receiving end of a payment love un-reversible payments. The same is not so true for people who are sending said payment and expecting that work gets done.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by jacksonkmarley »

kumarvvr wrote: post #42

I dont know about the US, but in India, a lot of private companies do not allow freelancing during off time. The value of Upwork is that it is separated from the real world, as in you could form a company and use that front to earn money. That will be hard to do in LinkedIn. Who wants to advertise or showcase their freelance work to their colleagues and family?

Do you mean you can work anonymously or pseudonymously?

Because as far as I'm aware you have to use a real name backed by govt. ID and an accurate and verified profile picture to have your account enabled.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by bawolff »

ArtTimeInvestor wrote: post #5

It will be interesting to see a third public company building a work marketplace. Upwork and Fiverr are already a godsend when you build a startup. But they still leave a lot to be desired. From a buyers perspective, Upwork feels more solid than Fiverr. In terms of freelancers and system functionality. One thing that is annoying on both platforms is that they send you an invoice after every gig. The first one that wi…

> For example developers, who are writing clean code and refactor their stuff before they deliver

If you want that you probably shouldn't be outsourcing to freelancers in general. People aren't going to make clean code if they know they are never going to see it again and arent being paid for how clean it is.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by gppk »

bawolff wrote: post #64
mcenedella wrote: post #19

I’ve been on Upwork as a buyer for years. It’s tremendous for getting great talent on a short term basis. Top rate I’ve paid I think is some close to or just over $100/hour, so it’s definitely not just for low-end stuff. I’ve learned (the hard way) about being very, very clear with deliverables and expectations. Based on the average response I get on Upwork, it would seem the median buyer is much more susceptible to…

> $100/hour, so it’s definitely not just for low-end stuff. Maybe not low-end, but that's still probably the lower end of mid-end.

On a global marketplace? $100/hour is a ridiculously good rate for a large % of workers. Maybe not in SF or Tech Hubs but for a graphics designer in India, or Eastern Europe?

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by f8 »

seanwilson wrote: post #31

https://support.upwork.com/hc/en-us/articles/211064098-Log-T... > It’s easy to bill your time using the Upwork desktop app. ... > When you have logging turned on, the app takes random screen captures six times per hour—once per 10-minute billing segment. Anything visible on your screen will display in your Work Diary, but you have the option, in Settings, to choose whether the screen captures your entire desktop or o…

I work full-time and get monitored like this. Ever hear of Hubstaff? It's an unfortunate reality for some remote workers and I don't agree with it but it happens. There can be an inherent distrust from employers when they're unable to see you physically working. It's more of an assurance thing, but I've gotten used to working exclusively in VM's.

Re: LinkedIn is building a gig marketplace

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Post by bawolff »

chovybizzass wrote: post #2

excellent. fiverr is nothing but trash and upwork only has tops 25/hour jobs in usa. need a legit gig site.

I used upwork when i was between jobs and wanted some side work before i found something more permanent. I managed to get a ~$100/hr gig. Although honestly it still didn't seem worth it in the end. Freelancing sucks.
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