When I was young (back to my primary school time), these UFO stuffs really fascinated me.
But nowadays, I've lost interests...
American Airlines confirms UFO contact over New Mexico on Sunday
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Re: American Airlines confirms UFO contact over New Mexico on Sunday
#232Why poo poo this? This is what really irks me when people laugh this stuff off and spout off something about Fermi's paradox without even understanding it. Fermi's paradox only asks simply "if statistics say they are everywhere, well then where are they?" What if the answer is simply: "Zooming all around us and we occasionally see one". Period. The rest is assumption. Fermi's paradox does NOT presuppose contact. That…
Thank you for this comment. I think what poo pooing is showing us is that the majority of humankind is not yet ready to be in contact with an extraterrestrial civilization because such thinking is way too narrow to even begin a conversation.
This is why publishing such articles is important, and why they should make more people think that there is a possibility after all that humans are not the only ones in the universe and that life is all around them.
This is such a preliminary line of thought, that, if most humans lack this perspective, why even begin to engage?
Re: American Airlines confirms UFO contact over New Mexico on Sunday
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
(a) They are common, lots of stories. (b) Completely impossible to get good video about them. a & b => bs
That's what they used to say about rocks falling from the sky. Right up until 1803. https://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/L/L_Aigle.html "Ernst Florens Chladni, was the first to publish (in 1794) the idea that meteorites might be rocks that originated not from Earth, but from space....The scientific community of the time responded with resistance and mockery." - Wikipedia
None of that is relevant today. Cameras are everywhere. External cameras, GoPros in cockpits.
Ball lightning stories disappeared with mobile phones. Ufo stories are also disappearing. It's less and less likely that everybody just happens to miss opportunity of taking pictures.
Re: American Airlines confirms UFO contact over New Mexico on Sunday
#234I won’t be able to provide information that other people haven’t already but I have encountered one of these “aircraft”. I own a small light sport airplane and was flying between UT and CA at 12.5k ft and saw one of these pass 1,000ft below me not far outside of Reno. ATC didn’t call it so presumably they didn’t see it on radar. It was exactly as described, small, shiny, cylindrical, no wings, and fast. If I could gu…
(a) They are common, lots of stories. (b) Completely impossible to get good video about them. a & b => bs
In this era, people can fake anything, as well as debunk anything. If someone doesn't want to believe something, no amount of video will be enough to convince that person.
That said, because they're very common, and that there are many stories about them across the history (and not just in recent times) and from many different sources, and that there's a lot of government documentation, and the fact that even Pentagon officially recognized that there's something going on, should be at least enough to steer you away from saying something is just 'bs'.
Re: American Airlines confirms UFO contact over New Mexico on Sunday
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because that would make a civillian passenger transport indistinguishable from a recon asset. You know what happens to recon assets that frequent hostile airspace, don't you? There are legitimate reasons to not build functionality into something.
I think this is a bit of a stretch. I’ve been on a few transatlantic flights that had live camera feeds under the plane that you could tune into as a regular station on the tv. I’d wager they’re more common on commercial flights than you think.
Emirates B777s and A380s do this too. Especially the A380s that stream 3 different cameras (tail, below, front). I don’t think they record the feeds though, maybe that makes a difference? But yeah seems odd to me that recording video makes it a military asset... how many millions of passengers on commercial planes have recorded the view out their window etc.
Re: American Airlines confirms UFO contact over New Mexico on Sunday
#236Why poo poo this? This is what really irks me when people laugh this stuff off and spout off something about Fermi's paradox without even understanding it. Fermi's paradox only asks simply "if statistics say they are everywhere, well then where are they?" What if the answer is simply: "Zooming all around us and we occasionally see one". Period. The rest is assumption. Fermi's paradox does NOT presuppose contact. That…
We know that the government kept the SR71 secret in the 50s and 60s and the stealth bomber secret in the 80s and 90s. There’s a great book called Skunk Works that details how massive military aviation advances were kept secret for decades. Now, we’re 60 years on from the Blackbird and 40 years on from the stealth bomber. We know the military has operated drones for decades and that Russia has hypersonic missiles. I f…
> In 10-20 years when this technology is outdated we’ll probably find out what it really was.
Based on something I saw in the mid 90s and the numerous reports of these cylindrical crafts, I think it will be more than 10-20 years before these are outdated. Like the Stealth version of the UH-60 helicopter that crashed during the Osama raid, we likely won't know more about these crafts unless there is a similar sort of accident.
Re: American Airlines confirms UFO contact over New Mexico on Sunday
#237Why poo poo this? This is what really irks me when people laugh this stuff off and spout off something about Fermi's paradox without even understanding it. Fermi's paradox only asks simply "if statistics say they are everywhere, well then where are they?" What if the answer is simply: "Zooming all around us and we occasionally see one". Period. The rest is assumption. Fermi's paradox does NOT presuppose contact. That…
If there are aliens, we are in deep shit. There are two poles: Either the aliens are extremely rapacious, or very enlightened. If they're rapacious, we are weak annoying ants to be crushed. If they're enlightened, a cursory examination of our history and treatment of the world would show that we are extremely rapacious, and need to be contained or destroyed. So no matter where on that continuum, we are either destroy…
Why would alients want to enslave us if they have robots? In any case they are not very talkative, they didn't even contact us; if it is them they are just monitoring; makes sense: the only thing one could do with a primitive culture is to monitor it, because otherwise you risk destoying it. Maybe these are alien anthropologists doing a field study.
Re: American Airlines confirms UFO contact over New Mexico on Sunday
#238Fwiw, the skies over Arizona were loaded with contrails today. Very unusual to see this kind of volume. All of the aircraft appeared to be heading due west in the direction of Las Vegas (Nellis AFB) and southern Cal. The last time I witnessed this degree of activity was in early 2020, one day after the drone strike on Iranian General Soleimani. The whole sky was a crisscross mesh of expanding vapor. In these circumst…
Why would Arizona skies be a crisscross mesh of expanding vapor because a drone in Baghdad assassinated someone?
I interpreted it as training flights for readiness preparation. Plus, drones sorties were (are?) flown remotely out of Nellis.
It is not uncommon to be driving between Las Vegas and Phoenix and have jets from Luke AFB flying training missions overhead at low altitude.
A lot of helicopter training is done out here as well.
Re: American Airlines confirms UFO contact over New Mexico on Sunday
#239Fwiw, the skies over Arizona were loaded with contrails today. Very unusual to see this kind of volume. All of the aircraft appeared to be heading due west in the direction of Las Vegas (Nellis AFB) and southern Cal. The last time I witnessed this degree of activity was in early 2020, one day after the drone strike on Iranian General Soleimani. The whole sky was a crisscross mesh of expanding vapor. In these circumst…
I saw all that, too (I even took a picture of it and make a joke about living on a missile range), and I think you're reading too much into this. Those contrails do not indicate more aircraft. They indicate favorable conditions for the formation of contrails. And I wouldn't call it "very" unusual. It happens about every month or so, and more often at this time of year.
One contrail in particular took a sharp turn from the southeast and headed directly for Vegas. Its shape is what made me look up to discover everything else going on.
It has been very windy for many months, along with drought conditions, so the skies here have been clear. No monsoon to speak of either. I found it unusual given what seems to be the new "normal" of clear skies the past couple of years.
Re: American Airlines confirms UFO contact over New Mexico on Sunday
#240How come aircrafts are not equipped with color video for later visual confirmation? If a pilot claimed something, we can at least see what they are describing as well, and maybe more details that they didn't catch with video. Also are commercial pilots not allowed to carry smartphones? Did the pilots not record outside the cockpit window with their phones? Hearing of this UFO is pretty exciting, and it would be even…
> How come aircrafts are not equipped with color video for later visual confirmation? They are called reconnaissance aircraft, and open you up to all sorts of fun stuff like compliance with arms control treaties. Also as a general rule, airlines and even private pilots don't like to pay (in fuel) to carry things up in to the sky that they don't need on a regular basis. > Also are commercial pilots not allowed to carr…
Airbus A380 has a tail camera that any passenger can view during the entire flight: https://www.google.com/search?q=airbus+a380+tail+camera
Pilots can also operate a camera and many do record and share their travels on Youtube.