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GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

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Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

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No one knows. That's not public information. It doesn't take into account that at 400 shorting GME became a much more appealing idea than even at 20/share. Everyone knew 400/share was unmaintainable.

> No one knows. That's not public information. % Short float is public information. And based on the discussions I've had online, it seems people are confused between %short float and %short outstanding. > Everyone knew 400/share was unmaintainable. Clearly not. My friend was buying in at that time, despite me arguing with him that he shouldn't. There's also plenty of retail-buys that occurred at $300 to $400: millio…

>% Short float is public information. And based on the discussions I've had online, it seems people are confused between %short float and %short outstanding.

My understanding of this is that it's released on a bi-monthly basis. So the active count is not reported. There are people who try to track it based on the outstanding shorts by watching the stock market and predicting what the current daily short percentage is, but I don't think they have verifiable data until the publication comes out. https://nasdaqtrader.com/Trader.aspx?id=ShortIntPubSch

Any short before the surge was probably shorting the price below 20/share. Say there are 100% shorts at 20/share. Then it goes up to 50/share and now it's 80% at 20/share (because 20% of those closed out) and 20% at 50/share.

When it was at 400/share, no one knows if those were shorts at 20/share, 50/share, or 400/share or when they expired. If I was a savvy investor who was being squeezed, I'd have cleared all my shorts at 20/share at a loss and then shorted the stock again at 400/share keeping the percentage around 100% of the market. I have no way of showing this and unfortunately very few people do (to my knowledge). If I'm wrong please show me I'd love to learn more, I find this incredibly interesting.

That's what I mean is not public information, no one knows what the breakdown of the short value is.

>Clearly not. My friend was buying in at that time, despite me arguing with him that he shouldn't. There's also plenty of retail-buys that occurred at $300 to $400: millions and millions of shares bought.

They thought it would go up to 1000. Which it might have, but they thought it would surge up and they could sell off at 1000.

That doesn't mean the price is maintainable. Everyone was passing around the last Short chart and it wasn't a maintainable boost. You can't even see the jump on a 5 year timeline of the market.

EDIT: Sorry I keep saying everyone. Everyone who was on WSB during the mania. I am sure there were individuals who didn't fit this. But I assume your friend thought the price would hit 1000/share and then they'd sell there. Or they were sold on buying the dip. Either way, they had an exit strategy (I assume) and it wasn't 10 years from now it was in a few days or weeks. Which is why I said isn't maintainable.

Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

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This could have an interesting point but it's lost in its anti-Bitcoin rhetoric. Bitcoin is like the lottery? It's up thousands of percent over the years. Many, many people have made real money and/or are sitting on massive gains. Regardless of if you think Bitcoin has actual utility (I think it does in spades), labeling it a "failure" means your argument is instantly ignored by every person who's up on their investm…

Plenty of people made money on the South Sea company until they didn't.

This has no relevance. People keep trying to compare Bitcoin to anything they think will help them make their point, but it’s nonsensical.

Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

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I disagree with you 100%. The problem is we spend more money on schooling than nearly every other country, especially in our inner cities that have very poor outcomes. We don’t need to spend more - another $10k per student with the same teachers and administration isn’t going to magically make every school better. We need to inject competition into the system and stop allowing mediocre / bad schools to muddle along.…

> We need to inject competition into the system That 10K doesn't fix it overnight, but it does raise salaries which would increase competition in the talent pool.

Only if allocated appropriately. I'm fine with more money going to education, but shouldn't there be some accountability from school districts as to where that money goes? Otherwise how do we ensure it's going to the educators to attract more talent rather than get lost in the bureaucracy?

Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

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Plenty of people made money on the South Sea company until they didn't.

This has no relevance. People keep trying to compare Bitcoin to anything they think will help them make their point, but it’s nonsensical.

It's very relevant. To claim Bitcoin is a success because people have made money from it is nonsense.

Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

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> And so we see Gamestop story fall out of that. In a nutshell a bunch of retail investors (possibly with help from institutional insiders) decided to pump a small cap stock far beyond what the valuation of the company should be. This completely ignores the fact that the stock was shorted over 100% of float, and people knew it was going to squeeze so they bought in hoping to ride the wave. And that did in fact happen…

> This completely ignores the fact that the stock was shorted over 100% of float, and people knew it was going to squeeze so they bought in hoping to ride the wave. And that did in fact happen, although timing is everything. Except the squeeze failed at $400, and short interest was still above 100% as GME dropped below $50 by my understanding. As such, the short-interest story seems to be a weak argument for anything…

> Except the squeeze failed at $400, and short interest was still above 100%

It's likely that as the price rose, the funds and investors that were shorting at the pre-squeeze prices were forced to close their positions at a loss. Then, they (or other investors) opened new short positions at the inflated higher prices, thus keeping the overall ratio high.

Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

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If more kids get into STEM, then eventually STEM salaries will regress to the norm. It's a non solution. Systematically, the average American will and must confront quite the bleak future.

I'm fine with the norm. The norm is better than losing all hopes or a bleak future. The norm is a job that pays ordinary salary but gives me hope that I sharpen my skills and get rewarded accordingly (no guarantee, of course, but there's hope). I'm grateful that STEM pays so well nowadays, but I don't mind if my pay goes back to norm in exchange for many people having a better future. I don't see the current K12 syst…

Increase in STEM degrees does not have a causal effect on number of good jobs. Any hope that it does is about as speculative as "investing" in bitcoin or the next Gamestop pattern.

Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

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It's not just about money. The US spends way more on K12 than other countries per capita, yet I'm not sure if the spending really pays off. Let's take maths for example, how much do I really need to spend to be good at maths? Well, I need a good teacher, I need a few good books, I need lots of well designed problem sets. Do they really need a lot more investment than other countries? I doubt it.

> Let's take maths for example, how much do I really need to spend to be good at maths? Where are you from? Things cost more in the US. Look how much we spend on the military. The fact we can and should spend more on edu isn't even debatable. What needs to be debated is how do we stop the squanderers?

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Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

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This has no relevance. People keep trying to compare Bitcoin to anything they think will help them make their point, but it’s nonsensical.

It's very relevant. To claim Bitcoin is a success because people have made money from it is nonsense.

No, to compare Bitcoin to something that has absolutely nothing to do with Bitcoin is ridiculous. That’s like me saying Apple is going to go out of business because Sears went out of business. A complete non sequitur.

Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

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It's very relevant. To claim Bitcoin is a success because people have made money from it is nonsense.

No, to compare Bitcoin to something that has absolutely nothing to do with Bitcoin is ridiculous. That’s like me saying Apple is going to go out of business because Sears went out of business. A complete non sequitur.

If I said something like "Apple won't go out of business because it's a big company", comparing to Sears would be completely fair.

Re: GameStop, Bitcoin and the Commoditization of Populist Rage

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No, to compare Bitcoin to something that has absolutely nothing to do with Bitcoin is ridiculous. That’s like me saying Apple is going to go out of business because Sears went out of business. A complete non sequitur.

If I said something like "Apple won't go out of business because it's a big company", comparing to Sears would be completely fair.

The OP said Bitcoin is like the lottery. It’s on him to explain that. The lottery has not returned value to almost every person who bought a ticket in the past decade, Bitcoin has. It’s a false and inept analogy.
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