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Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

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post #281

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“Every exchange and crypto market reporting Tether volume is wrong.” Some person on the internet, with no source to back the claim.

I posted my source 3 comments up.

Why would we trust that source over the exchange themselves?

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I'm waiting patiently for the whole Tether printing scheme to fall and crush to finally purchase Bitcoin / Ether. However I'm not viewing them as inflation hedges so long as Bitfinex / etc. are allowed to continue with their obvious money printing scheme. When most crypto trading volume is traded at trustworthy exchanges which actually hold dollars as much as they say they do, I'll trust $/BTC to be a fair market. It…

Cryptocurrency isn’t the only way to escape USD inflation. Investors have been investing to avoid inflation long before Bitcoin was invented. Investing in virtually any asset other than cash will, almost by definition, shield you from inflation. Inflation is an increase in asset prices, resulted in reduced buying power. You only need to invest in assets (stocks for example) and minimize holdings in cash if your goal…

>Inflation is an increase in asset prices

Inflation is an an interaction between the supply of any non-dollar "thing" and dollars. Sometimes that means certain assets like equities become more expensive in $, sometimes that means commodities like oil, sometimes it means labor.

But to be clear, rising Consumer Goods Inflation (what people most commonly talk about when they mean inflation) can lead to significantly lower asset prices, depending on valuation methodologies.

Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

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post #411

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I didn’t write that everything is fine and dandy with them. The world toolset doesn't function under a “your either with us or against us” mentality, it functions as a gradient. That gradient is that the NY AG case showed Tether was functioning properly until 2017/2018. If you were around crypto at that point in time, you would know that people would not have believed they had full reserves ever. Just reread what I w…

They haven't "functioned properly" because they promised audits, transparency/openness and independence, and none of that happened even back then. They then found out that they can keep up the empty promises and started dipping into the sauce, and now finally one investigation caught up with them. Your selective omissions imply advocacy - at least this is how it seems to me, and I'm not saying that's bad/good.

Not everything needs a dissertation long disclaimer just so you can decide if you want to listen to me

The accuracy of any statement can be weighed and discussed on its own merits

Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

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post #304

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What’s your recommendation for least-worse inflation hedge?

Paper towels never lose value and pretty pegged to inflation. But seriously, look at the past 20 years and your takeaway should be that USD is indestructible and that the Fed can do no wrong. They ran the printing press day and night for years and struggled to hit 2% inflation. "Full Faith and Credit of the US Government" is evidently the best inflation hedge in the world.

I'd love to see someone try to sell yellowed 20-year old paper towels (with branding from 3 generations ago) after thinking they were hedging inflation.

Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

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Why does USDC and USDT need to exist for this? What’s the benefit of not just having USD in your Coinbase/bitfinex acc if they’re meant to be pegged anyway?

Tax arbitrage, iirc. In some jurisdictions like the US, exiting your position into USD is a taxable event for capital gains taxes. I seem to recall stable coins were invented to avoid that. I can't imagine tax authorities allow that loophole though.

In germany, they don't allow that loop hole.

If you made profit and traded against another coin, you pay tax, simple.

If you hold for a year though. You dont pay taxes.

My portfolio is up quit a bit now and its almost a year. Hope it stays almost like that just few more weeks :)

But who knows?

Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

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Nice this is how Coinbase functions with USDC too Likely they all piggyback off of each other’s implementations in the face of evolving regulatory guidance

Why does USDC and USDT need to exist for this? What’s the benefit of not just having USD in your Coinbase/bitfinex acc if they’re meant to be pegged anyway?

You send USDC/USDT to another exchange, use it to pay for stuff, store it in a hardware wallet, etc. USD can only be transferred back to your bank account.

Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

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post #272

I've been following Tether for quite a long time. I have no absolute proof it is a scam but the writing is on the wall. Here are some facts. - The current Market Cap of USDT is 34 Billion Dollars. It was 4B this time last year. Since the value is pegged this means there has been an influx of cash of 30 B into this shady company in the last year alone. Who invested this money? We have no idea since Tether doesn't disc…

What will happen to NY AG which investigated Tether for 2 years, went through 2.5 mil pages of documentation, yet missed such an obvious scam that a lot of people, including on this forum, can clearly see? If Tether implodes, is this proof that NY AG is incompetent or even worse, somehow implicated in this giant scam by covering it up? In the NY AG settlement PDF it clearly states that they will not indict Tether in…

I wouldn't be surprised if they are into the scam and got bought.

The real world isn't a nice place and police show...

Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

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post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They haven't "functioned properly" because they promised audits, transparency/openness and independence, and none of that happened even back then. They then found out that they can keep up the empty promises and started dipping into the sauce, and now finally one investigation caught up with them. Your selective omissions imply advocacy - at least this is how it seems to me, and I'm not saying that's bad/good.

Not everything needs a dissertation long disclaimer just so you can decide if you want to listen to me The accuracy of any statement can be weighed and discussed on its own merits

You make multiple false, assertions in one comment, backtrack those assertions in other comments, and then pretend your position has remained unchanged the whole time.

It comes across as dishonest and makes me, an outsider, wonder how much tether you own.

Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

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post #376

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Surprisingly, yes. That is fairly normal in financial institutions. It seems nonsensical at a first glance, but: https://www.investopedia.com/articles/analyst/090501.asp

What you are pointing to is expressly pointing out that 1) it is illegal, 2) it is illegal for a very good reason, 3) if anyone finds out the illegal things going on, it will likely result in catastrophic (or at least very, very expensive) consequences. The pretending part that Tether and Bitfinex were doing was fundamentally different than the walling happening within financial institutions, where it has to be disjo…

USDT, USDC and DAI each have their own set of counterparty risks. USDT is regulated somewhere sunny, USDC somewhere that could be hostile if given enough power, and DAI is backed by digital assets such as custodied Ethereum. The sooner there are more solid options in more jurisdictions, and more certainty around USD stablecoin regulation, the better. I will be very glad to see Tethers go away.

Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

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post #272

I've been following Tether for quite a long time. I have no absolute proof it is a scam but the writing is on the wall. Here are some facts. - The current Market Cap of USDT is 34 Billion Dollars. It was 4B this time last year. Since the value is pegged this means there has been an influx of cash of 30 B into this shady company in the last year alone. Who invested this money? We have no idea since Tether doesn't disc…

> There's no way to transfer USDT into USD. The few exchanges that say they offer withdraws actually don't if you go and try. It's perfectly possible to exchange USDT for USD and withdraw USD to your bank account; it does not involve complicated steps nor outrageous fees. Kraken, for example, has a very liquid USDT/USD market, is a well respected exchange, and processes USD withdrawals that arrive within minutes to U…

That's a trade, not a withdrawl. You cannot withdraw 1USD for 1USDT.
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