Very cool! I just passed this along to our preventative maintenance manager at our production facility.
Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing
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Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing
#102>On the hardware side: we put RFID tags that fit like washers under each zerk. These are read by a head unit that is retrofittable to existing grease guns, which includes a custom RFID reader integrated into the nozzle. It also includes a flow meter and supporting electronics. Our device has 4G, Wifi and LoRa for comms, but also operates in an offline mode for customers in remote locations. Our hardware is rugged, du…
Thanks for taking to time to raise your concerns, these are all legitimate questions that have been raised by our customers during our sales process Our your second point - the problem we are solving is human error and principal/agent problem, which can be addressed by management controls. We have seen the management controls fail when there varying skill and experience levels in the maitenance crew, when the operati…
In industries relying on large machines, there's always companies promising their tools or their parts or their systems will increase profits and efficiency etc.
In many cases i've seen, the benefits end up being marginal, while complexity in the current systems are increased.
They end up bringing their own maintenance challenges and other unexpected challenges.
Availability of proprietary attachments and parts was always a big issue. We'd be at the whims of the sole provider as far as availability, pricing and delivery time went. This factors in to the amount of downtime when inevitable down time occurs.
There's a big difference between waiting a week for your fancy proprietary doodad to show up than sending someone to the hardware store.
Every external proprietary system you add to your current system is another layer of 'things' that comes with it's own problems eventually.
My questions aren't so much about how much money this will save from down times, but how much extra money will it cost when inevitable problems do occur with it.
Is it going to cost more in the long run than current human error does?
What i've noticed a lot of these systems actually do isn't reduce losses or increase profits, it just hides the losses further down the road.
From what I can tell, this system would be applied to hundreds of individual grease zerks across an entire industry, requiring likely at least a dozen or more of your proprietary ends.
Now, we're reliant not only on every one of those zerks functioning properly always, but we're limited in the amount of greasegun's we can actually deploy.
As the other commenter said, the greasegun attachments are expensive. They're going to be used a lot, everything that's used a lot wears down. Hell, normal greaseguns die pretty regularly.
This is now a new expensive part that the company will have to rely on to perform basic maintenance, which itself will need either maintainance or replacement at some point.
At which point, the company's waiting for their delivery instead of just going to buy a new greasegun.
On gun down means a loss of a person's worth of greasing until it's replaced. That's time and money lost there on top of the cost of replacement.
A zerk down means no data from that one until it's replaced meaning it's back to human error again.
I appreciate your zerks and attachments may be built ruggedly, but everything in a machine is prone to wear and breakage and eventually, they will bring maintenance issues.
What are the extra costs this will bring on top of initial and other ongoing service costs?
Are they low enough to actually save money in the long run?
5-10 years down the road?
These aren't tech startups with ephemeral existences, these machines will need to be relied on for years are you offering that kind of reliability?
A decade from now, will I still be able to buy your proprietary attachments and your zerks?
Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing
#103Most of the new equipment we build has automated grease dispensing systems, where my PLC dispenses a fixed amount of grease through hard-plumbed tubing onto ball screw nuts, linear rail trucks, bushings, slides, or whatever else the machine requires. Those don't need GreaseBoss fittings, but perhaps chould be able to tie into your cloud if they've got some of your equipment and some of mine.
A lot of robotic equipment and repurposed older equipment, however, plus some new equipment with hard-to-plumb areas, has automatic greasing distance counters that pop up a warning/fault on the HMI that reads something to the effect of "Grease Warning: 20km travel on Z axis ballscrew, follow the greasing procedure and enter maintenance password to dismiss or OK to continue".
Those, I suppose, could benefit from GreaseBoss in three ways: First, you could guarantee that the procedure was actually followed (that both the easy-to-access top nut and the buried bottom nut were greased). Second, you skip the maintenance password step by detecting the grease being applied. Third, you could dismiss/reset the warning automatically if my PLC could query your API to determine when the zerks on my machine were last greased.
However, Haas is a machine builder, not a viable business model. A subscription to use the equipment is not going to fly with most of my customers. They're not stingy, CapEx is already huge and grease zerks are cheap compared to the engineering costs they're paying - you're putting in a $2.5M piece of equipment, they don't care if the optional RFID grease zerks are $0.25 or $2.50 or $250 - but OpEx and equipment lifetime are critical. The idea that their equipment stops working because someone in the front office didn't pay a third party is anathema to them. They'd rather spend $250 per zerk once than $2.50 for the tag plus a yearly fee of $5/zerk for the 10-year lifetime of the equipment.
Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
thanks. We saw early on that if we were going to add a computer to grease gun, it had to be very simple and never crash or lose connection. Our operators have zero tolerance for complexity. What are you trying to track?
We cut at a saw, then edge at an edge bander, after that we drill and mill on a CNC. The saw has blades that need changing. The edge bander has cleaning cycles that have to be run. The CNCs have drills to be changed, milling tools that need sharpening, vacuum pumps that need filters cleaned, and sacrificial beds need surfacing. Those are all the regular tasks but each machine has maintenance tasks that each have diff…
It would be great to speak to you further on this to get your thoughts on what implementation style would work best.
my email is tim@greaseboss.com.au if you're open for a chat
Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing
#105Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing
#106Very cool! I work in industrial automation and deal with grease all the time. All my equipment is indoors; sometimes it feels like the cast iron foundries are some of the most hellish places on earth but I know your Outback mine sites will give them a run for that unenviable title! Most of the new equipment we build has automated grease dispensing systems, where my PLC dispenses a fixed amount of grease through hard-…
We get feedback from customers all the time that they use auto-greasers, or their new equipment comes with auto greaser fitted standard. One issue we see is when they blend the new equipment with old equipment, they inevitably have a bunch of manual grease nipples that don't get managed and are forgotton about. There is also a class of nipples that are uneconomic or physically unable to have auto lubers.
We are initially the neglected cohort of nipples as our target market, because they are the ones that fail the regularly. Our intention is to eventually get our system to cover integrate the Autolubers as well - we think it would be very valuable to have a single source of truth for greasing.
You are right in saying that our customers prefer to buy on capex, we are still figuring out ways to satisfy this. The problem of missed greasing occurs every day, so it should be paid for everyday, however our customers don't quite see it this way..
Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing
#107Very cool! I work in industrial automation and deal with grease all the time. All my equipment is indoors; sometimes it feels like the cast iron foundries are some of the most hellish places on earth but I know your Outback mine sites will give them a run for that unenviable title! Most of the new equipment we build has automated grease dispensing systems, where my PLC dispenses a fixed amount of grease through hard-…
Very interesting use case and yes, the GreaseBoss system would be perfect to talk into your PLC through API's to verify that zerks had been greased.
Thanks also for the feedback on the business model (i like the comment "Haas is a machine builder, not a business model"). I agree that CAPEX expenditure for some companies is by far the easiest way to procure others are seeking OPEX as a way to manage cashflow. I think we need solid offerings for both models.
What is the name of your company? It would be great to chat further.
Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or running machines to destruction and taking the downtime costs (which the dysfunctional organisation has already built into their business model, since they cannot get their employees to grade then right). I agree that there's a danger that this is easier to justify on Powerpoint than down in the dust and mud of real life industrial financials. (Pretty sure that gold mines do not stay open when the price of gold is…
I like your comment about this being easier to justify on a PPT than in the dirt - we are on the road every day experiencing this reality. We are making progress, customers are buying it for more than just the greasing - they have transient workforces who take care of the equipment differently and want consistantly . Some of them use greasing as an indicator "if they can't do the greasing, what else arn't they doing?…
Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing
#109Have you looked into contracting with the US government, particularly the military? You might think of partnering with a company that's established in that space.
Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing
#110This is fantastic and I'm one of those amateur "tribologists" you mention in one of your replies. Have you looked into contracting with the US government, particularly the military? You might think of partnering with a company that's established in that space.