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> Things in the past which were labeled misinformation I know that item-level thinking like this is necessary to gain emotional traction with people, but this issue is just so obvious at a systems-level. the idea that we, right now the instant youre reading this, have discovered 100% of what there is to learn and 0% of what we know is wrong is so painfully, horrifically, obviously stupid (we've had computers for thir…

> misinformation is combat with MORE discussion, not less! I wholeheartedly agree, but how do you get the other side to listen? The saying goes something like "You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into."

There is also a problem with approaching this type of dialog as one side vs. the other. People are all over the spectrum with their opinions on various issues. You might have a disagreement on one particular issue, but it's likely that you also have some common ground on other things. Use that to relate to people and try to influence their thinking to your point of view. It's not a war where you are trying to destroy "the other side".

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> How long would it take you to establish enough credibility to be able to make an accusation like that and have people actually take your word for it? Keep this in mind: Q is literally some dude on 4chan/8chan with a tripcode. > There might be a few nutters out there who are so predisposed to hate JFK that they'll believe anything negative about him, but most people - even those who dislike him - would rightfully qu…

I believe it is reasonable to speculate that QAnon members are generally trapped in extreme, right-wing echo chambers. Echo chambers enable people to retain undeserved credibility.

> I believe it is reasonable to speculate that QAnon members are generally trapped in extreme, right-wing echo chambers. Echo chambers enable people to retain undeserved credibility.

That's not true, for instance:

https://www.startribune.com/conspiracy-theories-of-qanon-fin...

> Conspiracy theories of QAnon find fertile ground in an unexpected place – the yoga world

> QAnon's conspiracy theories have taken root among yogis and other adherents of natural medicine.

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How is asking Fox for viewership numbers, "a chilling attempt at limiting speech"?

It's a legislative body which is trying to limit speech not through legislation but through intimidation. They could pass a law and have it struck down nearly immediately, or they could flog CEO's in public for their own amusement.

Huh? How is this intimidation? It's not like spreading information to its viewers is something Fox was doing illegally or surreptitiously; it's their whole business. However many people they reached, I would think they'd be proud of the answer?

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When men exercise their reason coolly and freely on a variety of distinct questions, they inevitably fall into different opinions on some of them. When they are governed by a common passion, their opinions, if they are so to be called, will be the same.

- Madison, Federalist No. 50

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> misinformation is combat with MORE discussion, not less! I wholeheartedly agree, but how do you get the other side to listen? The saying goes something like "You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into."

Assume good intentions, respect them as individuals, and listen to what they have to say even if you disagree. These are basic tenants of productive debate.

Sometimes. I know people who only care to maximize for themselves and their immediate tribe, and could not care less what happens to others not useful for them.

It is naive to play the game as if others aren't interested in capturing an outsized share of the winnings. And obviously they're not going to officially state their motives.

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post #342

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I believe it is reasonable to speculate that QAnon members are generally trapped in extreme, right-wing echo chambers. Echo chambers enable people to retain undeserved credibility.

> I believe it is reasonable to speculate that QAnon members are generally trapped in extreme, right-wing echo chambers. Echo chambers enable people to retain undeserved credibility. That's not true, for instance: https://www.startribune.com/conspiracy-theories-of-qanon-fin... > Conspiracy theories of QAnon find fertile ground in an unexpected place – the yoga world > QAnon's conspiracy theories have taken root among…

I'm not sure how that demonstrates QAnon members are not generally trapped in right-wing echo chambers. Are yoga practitioners exempt from right-wing echo chambers?

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Worse than that, it is an attempt at intimidation. Given today's climate, it would not surprise me if it works. Look at it this way. The capital riot on 6-Jan was planned and discussed on Youtube, facebook, and twitter. Apparently, barely a mention on Parler. Yet Parler was excoriated and deplatformed for it, and for not policing its comment sections. Yet Youtube, facebook, and twitter have faced no consequences for…

The question today is "how many" but the question tomorrow will be "what are their names?"

And they have that information too. Digital cable delivery means that the cable companies have a record of which channel you watch and at what time.

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> it is hardly socially unacceptable to vote for a republican and you have a secret vote anyway. Those two things are not in conflict with each other: a sizable percentage of Trump voters may have been counting on the fact that they could secretly vote in order to protect themselves and even their jobs. It seems that, today, some vocal people arguing for censorship immediately assume that anyone on the side of free s…

> Those two things are not in conflict with each other: a sizable percentage of Trump voters may have been counting on the fact that they could secretly vote in order to protect themselves and even their jobs. Black people have lost their jobs for years for being black (See, Kaepernick.) many mad about this post didn't care then. It's all fake, using free speech to coverup blatantly partisan items. They can't actuall…

Kaepernick did not lose his job for being black.

You can be pro free-speech and anti-media for the same reason you can be capitalist and anti-corporation.

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So your wife never complains that work is pushing her to do something that she does not want to do, and she's bargaining with management to try to do the right thing? And the transaction costs to her quitting and finding a new job are zero? IMO "at will" is only 99% correct, and the integral of its remainder builds up into some gross misbehavior.

My wife has never been forced to publish anything against her will. That being said, she has disagreed with the editorial decisions of the paper on a number of occasions. This is not at odds with the freedom of association; every single organization is comprised of individuals that don't always agree with one another, but work together to overcome their disagreements. Nowhere has there ever been a guarantee that the…

>> The Chinese room argument says otherwise, and it behooves us as homo sapiens to pay attention.

> I'm not sure what this sentence means.

I really should have said the implication of the Chinese Room thought experiment - intelligence arises from the constructive behavior of systems, distinct from their mechanical execution. As a (presumed) homo sapien, you should be interested in maintaining the existence of our own species versus entities that could subjugate us.

You keep asserting that organizations are no different from individuals, while completely ignoring every way I've pointed out how organizations differ from individuals. So I don't see how it's particularly productive to continue - you've seemingly made up your mind that desirable small-scale behavior implies desirable large-scale behavior by construction, and ignoring emergent behavior that arises out of scale.

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