Noise pollution hurts the heart • Hacker News Board

Re: Noise pollution hurts the heart

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Post by ip26 » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 6:26 PM UTC

cowmoo728 wrote: post #55

ReactiveJelly wrote: post #5

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Yes, it's frustrating that some people just don't believe in the human right to peace and quiet. That's one reason why I have no hope for self-organizing models of society. There are griefers who only respond to force, and it doesn't take many of them to fuck up the whole game.

Just remember the cure can be worse than the disease. I agree with you - mostly because of people who "roll coal" to poison cyclists for fun - but I'm wary of involving authority and force. Somehow there are societies that don't have as much of a problem with things like this, so maybe we should learn from them.

Aren't the societies that don't have these problems, often societies that readily employ authority & force & social coercion? Singapore, Japan.

Re: Noise pollution hurts the heart

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Post by viklove » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 6:28 PM UTC

moralestapia wrote: post #98

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Lately I've come to the conclusion that peace and quiet really is a luxury to have. Most people I don't think get to experience it. You need to have money to have it so you can live somewhere nice. Other wise your stuck living in apartment buildings, crowded cities, next to noisy neighbors. Go to busy shared spaces (ppl stop playing radios out doors!) or staying in shitty hotels.

I've lived through all the spectrum of apartments from modest to exclusive and luxurious. One thing does not imply the other, it's a matter of luck + how (un)civilized are the people surrounding you.

You've obviously never lived in a penthouse or a private residence on a 20 acre property. Noise pollution is not an issue in those situations.

Re: Noise pollution hurts the heart

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Post by pb7 » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 6:28 PM UTC

vbezhenar wrote: post #90

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I think rare in the sense that few can afford to have it.

I'm sure that every country have tiny villages with cheap land. Buy enough land, build a house in the center, grow some trees around and you'll have peaceful house. Of course there are other issues with that lifestyle which is why it's not adopted widely, like no work, issues for children, issues with healthcare, but for some people it could work, IMO.

> no work, issues for children, issues with healthcare

There's the rub, no? You need to have a lot of money saved up to not have to work which makes it a luxury. For most people, they need to live near work, which is mostly in or near dense noisy cities.

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Post by TheCapn » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 6:28 PM UTC

FooHentai wrote: post #80

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There are plenty of poor people with peace and quiet in rural areas.

I’m not so sure about that, nature is often loud AF. Agriculture, too.

Have you experienced it? I live rural and actually close to railway/highway but the comparison to urban noise is not even close.

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Post by pushswap » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 6:28 PM UTC

khafra wrote: post #96

neolog wrote: post #68

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"could all be happier" probably not, since currently the noisemakers are maximally happy making noise without paying anybody.

Lots of them would be happier to get a small amount of money for being just a little bit quieter. People preferring peace and quiet would be happy to pay a small amount of money to get fans of noisemaking to stay below their annoyance threshold. Rough sketch of a potential process: Harley Q. is riding through the hills with the throttle open when her phone buzzes, indicating she's approaching an area with residents w…

Sounds like a magnet for noisemakers to route their trips through while staying just at or under the annoyance threshold -- a threshold which, with increased sensitivity, may be shifting lower.

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Post by bdamm » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 6:28 PM UTC

boredumb wrote: post #63

LurkersWillLurk wrote: post #53

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I don't think the city council is oppressing anyone by having the police issue citations to people who wake me up at night with their obnoxious mufflers. The personal satisfaction from having a loud muffler is actually less important than my ability to sleep at night.

I may be misunderstanding, but having a city council isn't an antithesis to self organizing societies. In my understanding abandoning self organizing societies that could have more or less noise friendly communities in favor of top down politics that more closely resemble a centrally planned society/dictatorship.

Allowing a city to define what it means to live within it is generally accepted as not the same as a centrally planned society. Certainly that is the case within the United States, where there are very many options for what kind of city one wants to live in. We are not talking about city-states like Singapore. So yeah, we can penalize the noisemakers and not lose any sleep that we're degrading into a dictatorship.

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Post by undefined1 » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 6:29 PM UTC

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #73

I see the top few comments talking about motorcycles, leaf blowers, and automobiles. My pet peeve are jets. Living within ~5 miles of an air force base, or any major airport, is terrible. Everyone stops what they're doing for the for whatever duration a plane is in the area. Local and state politicians are powerless to do anything because of "the jobs".

imagine adding flying cars to the mix! it'd be hard to escape.

Re: Noise pollution hurts the heart

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Post by dgrcode » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 6:29 PM UTC

I lived in NY for 3 months and the amount of noise pollution there was insane. The one that I really couldn't believe was the J train on Brooklyn's Broadway. You could be yelling at someone 3ft/1m apart and they couldn't hear you because of the train noise.

I wonder if New Yorkers realise how absolutely crazy that is.

Re: Noise pollution hurts the heart

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Post by Jtsummers » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 6:29 PM UTC

khafra wrote: post #96

neolog wrote: post #68

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"could all be happier" probably not, since currently the noisemakers are maximally happy making noise without paying anybody.

Lots of them would be happier to get a small amount of money for being just a little bit quieter. People preferring peace and quiet would be happy to pay a small amount of money to get fans of noisemaking to stay below their annoyance threshold. Rough sketch of a potential process: Harley Q. is riding through the hills with the throttle open when her phone buzzes, indicating she's approaching an area with residents w…

That's like saying, "I'll stop punching you if you pay me $50, but until then I'm really enjoying punching you." Assholes are assholes and should not be paid to not be assholes, they should just stop it or pay others whenever they cross the line (via fines or other means).

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Post by nickt » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 6:31 PM UTC

boredumb wrote: post #37

nickt wrote: post #28

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That “loud pipes save lives is rubbish” [1]. Even if it were true the ROI on some training and awareness would be far higher. [1] https://www.quora.com/Do-loud-pipes-really-significantly-sav...

>>ROI on some training and awareness would be far higher. Motorcycle people generally spend money to placard their cars up with "Watch out for motorcyclists!" stickers so unless you're insinuating the government should use public funds to educate drivers on checking their mirrors and not getting into accidents with motorcyclists I'm not sure what you're actually saying.

Training quantifiably lowers risk - I'm talking about training for motorcyclists. We all have to do some training pretty much everywhere in the world before we become licensed drivers and riders.

In both the UK and US, advanced training courses are available and are recognized my insurance companies who offer discounts.

Anecdotally, the people that I've picked up off the highway have all been on a cruiser-style bike, been wearing improper clothing (usually shorts and T-Shirts) and not been wearing a helmet. Now that's legal here in CO and fine for an individual to make their own decisions. With further training however, you can make better decisions particularly around risk assessment and handling characteristics.

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