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Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by 40four »

Forbo wrote: post #98
40four wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has spawned a huge thread that I honestly didn't read all of, but someone else mentioned to me they use the 'Community' Snap package. I did not set mine up with this, but it apparently requires a lot less hands on maintenance. In your case you might be interested. https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/21/admin_manual/installati... https://snapcraft.io/nextcloud Apparently it auto-updates for you, but I'm not sure if…

The snap does upgrade major versions, although from my experience it tends to be on a delay to ensure stability.

Makes sense. Maintenance of self hosted services can be quite annoying, but I guess that’s the price we pay for taking control from the overlords :)

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by regularfry »

imwillofficial wrote: post #44
regularfry wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer to that ought to be `apt-get install nextcloud-server` and let the distro maintainers step in, really. Unfortunately because you can't skip versions on upgrade, it's not clear how to cleanly do that.

That’s handled by the package manager.

The package manager would need to have access to the code of all the intermediate versions to run the upgrades safely. That might work for some situations, but it's a hell of an overhead in general.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by GrinningFool »

znpy wrote: post #35
dsr_ wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you have a system administration problem, whether you want or not Right. You can pay people to do things for you, or you can do them yourself, but either way the things have to be done, and they should be done by someone who is good at it and has a contract with you -- employment or otherwise.

> should be done by someone who is good at it I'm not 100% okay with this statement. One has to be able to start somewhere. How do you "get good at it" ? You proceed via steps. you challenge yourself, you reach an improvement, enjoy that improvement for a while, then you challenge yourself again when you see room for improvement. But just saying "nah let somebody else do that" is not what we want here. We're hobbyist…

This is true to a point. But eventually, you've gotten all you can from learning and managing a new thing. You can't reasonably make it more efficient and there are no benefits to spending more time learning it. This is when it shifts from a hobbyist's exploration to a routine, mundane task that requires time and attention while offering no _new_ benefit.

For some hobbyists there's comfort in this repetition; for others, it's just a time sink with high opportunity cost.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

#104

Post by Aachen »

40four wrote: post #87
Aachen wrote: post #82

Does that mean it's now reliable when putting it in a public-facing place? An orga that shall not be named used nextcloud for various important things and had it connected to the Internet, which for modern open source software is usually okay. But then a friend found that you can take the whole system down from a 56k modem (pre-auth) and it had to be recommended the Orga keep it internal, which was an issue because t…

I'm really not sure why you are asking this question? Nextcloud is used by thousands of enterprise level & small private users on public facing servers. Can you be more clear about what you mean by "a friend found that you can take that whole system down from a 56k modem"? I have no idea what you mean by that. You mention denial of service. Are you claiming a Nextcloud instance can be DoS'ed by a single computer with…

Yeah I'm being a bit more vague than I'd like, I should have taken the effort of going to my pc (am on phone) where I have a password manager to login to the account under my real name. I don't want to connect this one too much.

Without posting the specific exploit, the issue is with the server-side sleep() in the login system. If you spawn enough threads, which you could easily do in the given time from even a 56k modem, it will for some reason crash the whole thing. Tested with a couple friends and all the instances had to be restarted manually, none of them (running on different web servers) withstood it. It's not clear why as the sleep should simply run through and then unblock the threads; for some reason that's not what happens.

Again, this was reported and they don't care. If you want more info, this should be enough to reproduce it without much effort and/or ask them about it (not sure if they made the ticket public, initial report probably was presumably private due to the pre-auth/unconditional nature).

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

#105

Post by Abishek_Muthian »

40four wrote: post #3

I started running a self hosted Nextcloud instance last year, and I couldn’t be happier with it! This release sounds exciting, guess it’s time to go upgrade :) For those looking to ‘de-Google’ their lives, and control their own data Nextcloud is one of the best options out there.

Are there recommendation for hosts which offer pricing comparable to Google One[1], has backup & trust in the community?

[1]https://one.google.com/about/plans

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by mikewhy »

ev1 wrote: post #89
achempion wrote: post #88

The project is great and I made simple setup in docker to play around with it. There is official docker image you can use https://hub.docker.com/_/nextcloud . The problem I see with similar services is they all trying to pack everything. You can also install external components into your system. What it means in practice is huge area for security vulnerabilities, challenge to host/upgrade it at home on weekends and v…

I haven't used Nextcloud before, do you happen to know if there's an easy way to just want the file sharing? I don't care for whiteboards or collaboration, I just want a Dropbox equivalent where I can upload files and give other people public or one-time or expiring links to download/wget.

When you set up Nextcloud, it has a wizard prompting you for "apps" to install. Can't remember what the choices are exactly, but there's a "simple" choice that is just file sharing.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by FooHentai »

dsr_ wrote: post #34
znpy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First things first: don't get me wrong, I do understand your point. The thing is: you have a system administration problem, whether you want or not (that is a big part of what you're actually paying for when you buy Dropbox or when you let Google feed on your data). Now, as an hobbyist, when you start depending on services you set up and manage yourself, it would be a good idea to take some time to learn additional t…

> you have a system administration problem, whether you want or not Right. You can pay people to do things for you, or you can do them yourself, but either way the things have to be done, and they should be done by someone who is good at it and has a contract with you -- employment or otherwise.

>You can pay people to do things for you, or you can do them yourself, but either way the things have to be done

Nah. I had an elaborate home setup for a while as a hobby and the ongoing hassles (including NextCloud upgrade complexities) just led me to turning it all off and making do with simpler or no solutions.

I’ve learned my lesson about mixing hobbyist tinkering with something your family comes to expect as an everyday convenience - that while you on a random Saturday morning might be hyped about deploying the latest self hosted cool stuff, the other you on some random Thursday at 10pm when everything malfunctions is gonna hate past-you’s guts for putting you in this position.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by bisby »

sundarurfriend wrote: post #95

To the people who have been using Nextcloud successfully for years: is your usage mainly PC-PC or PC-iOS synchronization? Is anyone here running PC-Android synchronization with files that change more often than once a day? My experience with the Nextcloud Android app is that the automatic sync is quite limited (eg. https://github.com/nextcloud/android/issues/757 , https://github.com/nextcloud/android/issues/19 ). Eve…

I use it for the automatic photos upload primarily. But anything else that changes rapidly, I use a dedicated app. I've never had major issues with the core nextcloud app, but I also don't use it for anything before the photo upload.

DAVx5 for caldav stuff, Nextcloud Notes for notes.. These apps seem to handle the sync separately on their own.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by input_sh »

e-Minguez wrote: post #22

I'm a little bit worried with the shift from a 'cloud' storage solution to a groupware software... I only need the storage bits but it seems they are focusing on the groupware thing lately...

I feel precisely the opposite. Replacing Dropbox is fine, but replacing like the majority of Google's services is waaaay more useful.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by anderspitman »

When it comes to self-hosting, there are 2 key components: the service software itself (ie Nextcloud), and the network plumbing to connect everything together. The networking has gotten quite complex due to NAT, HTTPS, DNS, IPv4 exhaustion, etc.

I maintain a list of software to help simplify the networking bits:

https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling

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