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Fructose reprogrammes glutamine-dependent oxidative metabolism to support LPS

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Re: Fructose reprogrammes glutamine-dependent oxidative metabolism to support LPS

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Post by electrograv »

nayuki wrote: post #11
sprayk wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we (in the US) could end corn subsidies, use of HFCS in food production would probably fall naturally as other sweeteners were able to compete again for the cheapest sweetener.

Sugar derived from cane and beet and honey are exactly as bad for your health as high-fructose corn syrup.

So what is a good “low fructose” (or otherwise healthier) sugar that is recommended over table sugar and HFCS?

I had thought honey was generally regarded as a healthier form of sugar, but now I’m a little confused, since it appears to also be fairly high in fructose (~40%) according to this article:

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317728#Benefits-of...

Re: Fructose reprogrammes glutamine-dependent oxidative metabolism to support LPS

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Post by kat »

Tsiklon wrote: post #12
mikewarot wrote: post #8

Can someone explain to me how this doesn't imply that I should completely remove fructose from the list of ingredients in food I am willing to consume?

I actually watched an interesting video on this last night by Adam Ragusea, who hosts a cooking channel and likes to dabble in the food science side of things on occasion - https://youtu.be/DEKrfvgPGDY It looks to be the case that in the case of HFCS high ratios of Fructose to Glucose can cause issues because of excess free Fructose. If the balance between the two is maintained, things may be less problematic.

As someone with IBS, Fructose in excess of Glucose is THE issue. The FODMAP diet (peer reviewed, currently the gold standard for IBS diets) is about reducing the fructose-in-excess-ofglucose. Only a teaspoon honey at time, but you can eat maple syrup. Greatly reduced consumption of stone fruits. Its known that some IBS cases are caused when someone does not breakdown fructose in their small intestine, so the fructose then ferments in the large intestine. You want some fermentation in your gut, but not too much!

Re: Fructose reprogrammes glutamine-dependent oxidative metabolism to support LPS

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Post by oudhmkbjx »

electrograv wrote: post #27
tp3 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A diet high in fructose is not advisable for people with an autoimmune disease. One study did that of people with a large number of specific types of autoimmune disease that can be caused by high fructose foods. This study showed that one diet was associated with a higher incidence of these autoimmune diseases in those with large and consistent levels of fructose intake. For example, in those with low body weight you…

Question: Does this mean honey and high fructose corn syrup are approximately equally [1] unhealthy? Or is honey an anomaly/enigma [2] in this respect? [1] Apparently honey contains ~40% fructose, which about the same as “HFCS42” (a standard 42% fructose corn syrup product). [2] I ask this because I’ve read many claims that honey is among the healthiest forms of sugar, with many studies cited that show all sorts of h…

This depends a great deal on the quality of honey. Most honey at the supermarket is adulterated [1]. If you can find raw, unfiltered honey, then it will contain additives such as pollen, beeswax, and parts of bees. The additives have nutritional value, yes, but the overwhelming majority of honey is the nutritional equivalent of simple syrup.

Probably the "best" sugar you can use is date sugar, which is just dried, ground-up dates. But if you really want to eat healthily, then you should eat plants instead of rich foods.

[1] https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2011/11/tests-show-most-store...

Re: Fructose reprogrammes glutamine-dependent oxidative metabolism to support LPS

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Post by tp3 »

nradov wrote: post #13
foxyv wrote: post #10

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Table sugar is entirely made up of sucrose. A polymer which is composed of one glucose molecule and one fructose molecule. Fructose is also in most fruit sugars. Honey is one of the worst offenders from a natural source. Finally corn syrup is the absolute worst. Avoiding refined sugars in general is a good thing, but removing fructose completely would require not eating any fruits or berries either. The rule of thumb…

Honey appears to have some other beneficial properties. There is no real evidence that moderate honey consumption causes worse health outcomes.

I eat a lot of honey, and am a huge fan of maple syrup. I love maple syrup, but I eat it in moderation. I eat it in smaller portions of about half cup daily but can have as much as I want. It's good on it's own as an energy source, and can be used as a natural sweetener. Also, I like to eat my whole grain breads with maple syrup as well. It adds flavor to them, so maybe I should add some! It's easy to eat, and is easy to make with an electric mixer, and it tastes great. So for me that's a win.

Re: Fructose reprogrammes glutamine-dependent oxidative metabolism to support LPS

#35

Post by lvass »

electrograv wrote: post #31
nayuki wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sugar derived from cane and beet and honey are exactly as bad for your health as high-fructose corn syrup.

So what is a good “low fructose” (or otherwise healthier) sugar that is recommended over table sugar and HFCS? I had thought honey was generally regarded as a healthier form of sugar, but now I’m a little confused, since it appears to also be fairly high in fructose (~40%) according to this article: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317728#Benefits-of...

Who is "we"? For me, it's not using sugar or sweeteners at all.

Re: Fructose reprogrammes glutamine-dependent oxidative metabolism to support LPS

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Post by poopoopeepee »

germinalphrase wrote: post #19
juskrey wrote: post #16

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The thing with honey is that it is rare and seasonal in nature. Once a month/season/year is probably highly beneficial, daily is likely to be a slow suicide.

Rare and seasonal? It literally does not spoil on any timescale that matters.

Its production is seasonal. Availability follows. Ok?

Re: Fructose reprogrammes glutamine-dependent oxidative metabolism to support LPS

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Post by poopoopeepee »

airhead969 wrote: post #22
juskrey wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing with honey is that it is rare and seasonal in nature. Once a month/season/year is probably highly beneficial, daily is likely to be a slow suicide.

Curious: Rare and seasonal how? Most honey lasts for years or decades if willing to put up with some crystallization. All things in moderation... . A dab of honey in tea once a day can't be that many micromorts.

Its production is seasonal. Availability follows. Ok?

Re: Fructose reprogrammes glutamine-dependent oxidative metabolism to support LPS

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Post by nayuki »

electrograv wrote: post #31
nayuki wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sugar derived from cane and beet and honey are exactly as bad for your health as high-fructose corn syrup.

So what is a good “low fructose” (or otherwise healthier) sugar that is recommended over table sugar and HFCS? I had thought honey was generally regarded as a healthier form of sugar, but now I’m a little confused, since it appears to also be fairly high in fructose (~40%) according to this article: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317728#Benefits-of...

I follow Robert Lustig's lectures; he talked about this stuff since 2009 and it's public - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM . The way I interpret the advice is as follows: Eat as much whole fruit as you want (but you'll get tired of it quickly). Limit refined sugars to about 30 grams per day (soda, candy, yogurt, jam, cake, etc.; this means reading labels carefully). In theory you can go out and eat as much glucose (a.k.a. dextrose) as you want, but this sounds dumb so don't do it. Embrace eating fat; it is not the enemy. Eat fiber like vegetables. Let your body tell you when you're full (which fructose disrupts).

Re: Fructose reprogrammes glutamine-dependent oxidative metabolism to support LPS

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Post by galangalalgol »

electrograv wrote: post #27
tp3 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A diet high in fructose is not advisable for people with an autoimmune disease. One study did that of people with a large number of specific types of autoimmune disease that can be caused by high fructose foods. This study showed that one diet was associated with a higher incidence of these autoimmune diseases in those with large and consistent levels of fructose intake. For example, in those with low body weight you…

Question: Does this mean honey and high fructose corn syrup are approximately equally [1] unhealthy? Or is honey an anomaly/enigma [2] in this respect? [1] Apparently honey contains ~40% fructose, which about the same as “HFCS42” (a standard 42% fructose corn syrup product). [2] I ask this because I’ve read many claims that honey is among the healthiest forms of sugar, with many studies cited that show all sorts of h…

It sounds to me like fruit itself is implicated, so honey certainly would be. My rule is, anything that tastes sweet is probably bad for me, but I have some digestive issues. I would like to do nothing but greens, oily fish and some roots to round out the calories, but I am weak willed.
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