Covid vaccination linked to 'substantial reduction' in hospital admissions

Post by leesalminen » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:09 PM UTC

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It’s not clear to me how illustrating the flaws in one country’s healthcare system should affect the decision of another’s who hasn’t experienced the same flaws even with greater per-capita cases of the virus. My comment was geared towards America because I’m an American talking on a forum operated by an American company. Italy can lock down to their heart’s content- that’s their prerogative.

For an average person, Italy, Spain and the UK have better healthcare systems than the US by most metrics. The US is only better for some very obscure and exotic diseases that require expensive and rare treatments that most US citizens wouldn’t be able to afford or wouldn’t be covered for under their health care plans.

Post by jgalt212 » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 2:49 PM UTC

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Yes, but you're still stuck with a population who remains very susceptible to the diseases. Lockdowns, as I'm sure Australia will discover, are not a complete solution to the problem.

We're pretty happy here in Australia with how few of our friends and family have been affected by COVID. Life is practically back to normal and has been this way in Sydney for a while. Vaccination roll-out started this week. You'd be hard pushed to find a single person who would trade our state's response with pretty much any other countries response.

Post by standardUser » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 4:05 PM UTC

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Small percentages of people suffer complications from many different types of illnesses. At a certain point, human beings simply have to live with a small chance of a bad outcome from ailments that are normally mild.

This isn't some small percentage of people this is 3 - 8% [1] of people hospitalized! Despite not finding data for people not hospitalized many report suffering from and being hospitalized for failures of the pulmonary, endocrine, and digestive system. Sometimes people have strokes from sneezing. See I can make generalizing statements about bullshit too. [1]: https://annalsofintensivecare.springeropen.com/articles/10…

Post by timr » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 5:44 PM UTC

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Table 3 and Figure 2 make it clear that the hazard ratios for patients with hospitalization and/or encephalopathy are multiples higher for those without hospitalization and/or encephalopathy. Intracranial haemorrhage is 3-4x more likely in hospitalized patients; ~5x higher in those with encephalopathy. For stroke, 2-3x for both. For first mood disorder, 1.5x/2x more likely. They don't break down the cross-tabs by age…

Yes you are right. I looked into the authors research and found a more recent paper that breaks it down by age https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0... Figure 3 has risk ratios sliced by age+sex

Post by inter_netuser » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 5:57 PM UTC

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Average age 40, as you said yourself. And then as the authors of this paper find, "Risks were greatest in, but not limited to, those who had severe COVID-19."

Framing an "average age of 40" as "an older demographic" seems a bit misleading, as the average age of human beings in America is 38. We're not talking a few sickly senior citizens here (which, even if we were, I wouldn't feel justified in writing off, but it's not).