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Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by jerf »

goalieca wrote: post #27

I’m in awe of something like Debian where entire mirrors have been served on ancient computers with reasonable performance. Perhaps there is a configuration issue, but at my work it is one of the slowest services aside from jira. I actually try to avoid opening jira and next cloud because it’s frustratingly slow to browse. Edit: I was eager to see the link with the 10x performance number. I do hope it improves becaus…

"I’m in awe of something like Debian where entire mirrors have been served on ancient computers with reasonable performance."

Static file serving is easy. If you don't even need SSL because it's all signed content, it's really easy. Linux has a syscall [1] where you can tell the kernel "ok, now, send this file through this socket without bothering userspace anymore", meaning you get full kernel-mode file transfer without even context switching. I've got static file servers serving similar types of content shipping out dozens to hundreds of megabytes per second that barely hit 3% of one CPU usage.

[1]: https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/sendfile.2.html

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

#53

Post by rfoo »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #41
znpy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First things first: don't get me wrong, I do understand your point. The thing is: you have a system administration problem, whether you want or not (that is a big part of what you're actually paying for when you buy Dropbox or when you let Google feed on your data). Now, as an hobbyist, when you start depending on services you set up and manage yourself, it would be a good idea to take some time to learn additional t…

Maybe their hobby is not tinkering with Nextcloud and they would rather put that limited time/energy into setting up k8s clusters or developing a web app. Who knows? The point is with limited time one has to pick their battles and maybe setting up zpools and a full next cloud docker compose isn't what they want to spend their time on.

> The point is with limited time one has to pick their battles

Yeah, that's why I pay for a managed K8s instance for my toy projects but do my own sysadmin work on various self-hosted things. The former is not my hobby so I'd rather pay someone else to do it.

This is an inherent limitation of our current tech stack, and unfortunately the cheapest mitigation we have is "take full system snapshot a.k.a. do your sysadmin work". The alternative (LTS release etc) all cost much more money.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by ViViDboarder »

lou1306 wrote: post #46

Personally, I love NextCloud as a contacts/calendar storage. I have an instance from a cloud provider, I use DAVx5 [1] to sync with my Android phone, and I set up a CalDAV account on my MacOS, so I can see nextCloud calendars on Calendar.app. Sadly, NextCloud's CardDAV doen not seem to work on macOS, but that's a relatively minor issue. [1]: https://www.davx5.com/

I have it working on macOS for me.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

#55

Post by znpy »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #41
znpy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First things first: don't get me wrong, I do understand your point. The thing is: you have a system administration problem, whether you want or not (that is a big part of what you're actually paying for when you buy Dropbox or when you let Google feed on your data). Now, as an hobbyist, when you start depending on services you set up and manage yourself, it would be a good idea to take some time to learn additional t…

Maybe their hobby is not tinkering with Nextcloud and they would rather put that limited time/energy into setting up k8s clusters or developing a web app. Who knows? The point is with limited time one has to pick their battles and maybe setting up zpools and a full next cloud docker compose isn't what they want to spend their time on.

Again, I see your point, because I've been there :)

But you're missing an important point of view: do you rely on that data?

If it's a toy project, don't even bother, just ignore all my replies.

If you do rely on nextcloud and the data stored there, having a backup procedure and safeguards for the upgrade process helps a lot.

Next time you perform an upgrade you can proceed without fears and stress, and way faster (if you run on docker) and that frees up time to play with kubernetes clusters and webapp development :)

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by notesinthefield »

reasonabl_human wrote: post #50
hexanal wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To echo what the other replies are saying: mine has been running on a DigitalOcean droplet since early 2019 and I only had to reboot it once. It syncs everything, the iOS app and web dashboard are adequate. I would recommend it (but I haven't tried anything else, other than Google Drive or Dropbox, of course)

Haven’t used droplets, do you have to manage backups yourself or is it part of the service?

Its a paid add-on iirc

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

#57

Post by znpy »

lou1306 wrote: post #46

Personally, I love NextCloud as a contacts/calendar storage. I have an instance from a cloud provider, I use DAVx5 [1] to sync with my Android phone, and I set up a CalDAV account on my MacOS, so I can see nextCloud calendars on Calendar.app. Sadly, NextCloud's CardDAV doen not seem to work on macOS, but that's a relatively minor issue. [1]: https://www.davx5.com/

Big kudos to davx5, it helped me set up calendar integration on android.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

#58

Post by phaer »

reasonabl_human wrote: post #52
GreenToad wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

anyone remembers the term "slashdotted"?

No, where did this come from?

https://slashdot.org/ was quite a popular source of tech-related news back in the very late 20th and early 21th century

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

#59

Post by nickthemagicman »

znpy wrote: post #55
nickthemagicman wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe their hobby is not tinkering with Nextcloud and they would rather put that limited time/energy into setting up k8s clusters or developing a web app. Who knows? The point is with limited time one has to pick their battles and maybe setting up zpools and a full next cloud docker compose isn't what they want to spend their time on.

Again, I see your point, because I've been there :) But you're missing an important point of view: do you rely on that data? If it's a toy project, don't even bother, just ignore all my replies. If you do rely on nextcloud and the data stored there, having a backup procedure and safeguards for the upgrade process helps a lot. Next time you perform an upgrade you can proceed without fears and stress, and way faster (i…

Right but I think the original point was that it would be nice not to have to do that.

An LTS connected to a NAS would avoid all of that. Lol.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

#60

Post by goalieca »

jerf wrote: post #51
goalieca wrote: post #27

I’m in awe of something like Debian where entire mirrors have been served on ancient computers with reasonable performance. Perhaps there is a configuration issue, but at my work it is one of the slowest services aside from jira. I actually try to avoid opening jira and next cloud because it’s frustratingly slow to browse. Edit: I was eager to see the link with the 10x performance number. I do hope it improves becaus…

"I’m in awe of something like Debian where entire mirrors have been served on ancient computers with reasonable performance." Static file serving is easy. If you don't even need SSL because it's all signed content, it's really easy. Linux has a syscall [1] where you can tell the kernel "ok, now, send this file through this socket without bothering userspace anymore", meaning you get full kernel-mode file transfer wit…

Browsing a directory of essentially static artifacts is really slow in nextcloud. Git isn’t the best place to store binaries and assets and we tried nextcloud as an alternative since we are already hosting it.
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