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Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by nickthemagicman »

znpy wrote: post #30
contravariant wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree but as a hobbyist I don't really want system administration problems. Well and I was mostly interested in Nextcloud as a possible alternative to Dropbox/Google drive with versioning and, I hoped, backups. However the only proper backup solution that I could confidently state would allow me to recover should disaster strike was the one you just explained e.g. putting everything in docker and snapshott…

First things first: don't get me wrong, I do understand your point. The thing is: you have a system administration problem, whether you want or not (that is a big part of what you're actually paying for when you buy Dropbox or when you let Google feed on your data). Now, as an hobbyist, when you start depending on services you set up and manage yourself, it would be a good idea to take some time to learn additional t…

Maybe their hobby is not tinkering with Nextcloud and they would rather put that limited time/energy into setting up k8s clusters or developing a web app. Who knows? The point is with limited time one has to pick their battles and maybe setting up zpools and a full next cloud docker compose isn't what they want to spend their time on.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by imwillofficial »

znpy wrote: post #31
prophesi wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You don't have a nextcloud problem, you have a system administration problem. Those aren't mutually exclusive. Sure, better dev ops would make major upgrades safer and easier. But for a hobbyist self-hosting their own instance, a LTS release would be a godsend to save them hours of unpaid work.

An good hobbyist should challenge themselves from time to time ;)

Who said it was a challenge? When does grunt work move beyond challenge to the point of not being worth it? I got out of self hosting because my time is too valuable. It did teach me lots of new skills, so that was great! However, somebody not wanting a time sink, is not them avoiding challenge.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by jerf »

znpy wrote: post #30
contravariant wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree but as a hobbyist I don't really want system administration problems. Well and I was mostly interested in Nextcloud as a possible alternative to Dropbox/Google drive with versioning and, I hoped, backups. However the only proper backup solution that I could confidently state would allow me to recover should disaster strike was the one you just explained e.g. putting everything in docker and snapshott…

First things first: don't get me wrong, I do understand your point. The thing is: you have a system administration problem, whether you want or not (that is a big part of what you're actually paying for when you buy Dropbox or when you let Google feed on your data). Now, as an hobbyist, when you start depending on services you set up and manage yourself, it would be a good idea to take some time to learn additional t…

"It's way simpler but you'd only get a yesterday's copy in case of problem."

I have a restic backup running on that plan instead of rsync, which means I get true backups. The nice thing about that it is that this can be integrated into any "docker compose" pipeline that you like. I'm generally not as hot on Docker as a lot of people but it does do a nice job of containing household services into a text file that can be easily checked into source control, and easily backed up, as long as it can be run in docker.

It's a pity that Sandstorm started before Docker was a practical option for most people. There's probably some room for a Sandstorm 2.0 that "just" uses Docker and provides some grease around setting up this stuff on a system from a top-level configuration file or something. It would go from a massive project in which you have to "port" everything to something some hobbyists could set up. It wouldn't be as integrated, but it would work.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by imwillofficial »

regularfry wrote: post #29
l72 wrote: post #14

I really wish there was an LTS release that was supported for at least 2 years (just bugfixes, no new features). I self host my own instance, and I really just want to set it and forget it. I don't mind doing low risk patches every few months or weeks, but I don't want to do a major version upgrade every 4-6 months. I did my last major version upgrade only 15 months ago, and I am now 4 major versions behind, which me…

The answer to that ought to be `apt-get install nextcloud-server` and let the distro maintainers step in, really. Unfortunately because you can't skip versions on upgrade, it's not clear how to cleanly do that.

That’s handled by the package manager.

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by contravariant »

znpy wrote: post #30
contravariant wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree but as a hobbyist I don't really want system administration problems. Well and I was mostly interested in Nextcloud as a possible alternative to Dropbox/Google drive with versioning and, I hoped, backups. However the only proper backup solution that I could confidently state would allow me to recover should disaster strike was the one you just explained e.g. putting everything in docker and snapshott…

First things first: don't get me wrong, I do understand your point. The thing is: you have a system administration problem, whether you want or not (that is a big part of what you're actually paying for when you buy Dropbox or when you let Google feed on your data). Now, as an hobbyist, when you start depending on services you set up and manage yourself, it would be a good idea to take some time to learn additional t…

I agree that the problem of storing data securely is a problem that you have whether you want it to or not, but I was mostly lamenting that Nextcloud does preciously little to help help you to solve this problem, as it suffers from the same problem itself (possibly worse because now you've got a data durability problem with more moving parts).

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by lou1306 »

Personally, I love NextCloud as a contacts/calendar storage. I have an instance from a cloud provider, I use DAVx5 [1] to sync with my Android phone, and I set up a CalDAV account on my MacOS, so I can see nextCloud calendars on Calendar.app. Sadly, NextCloud's CardDAV doen not seem to work on macOS, but that's a relatively minor issue.

[1]: https://www.davx5.com/

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by znpy »

jerf wrote: post #43
znpy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First things first: don't get me wrong, I do understand your point. The thing is: you have a system administration problem, whether you want or not (that is a big part of what you're actually paying for when you buy Dropbox or when you let Google feed on your data). Now, as an hobbyist, when you start depending on services you set up and manage yourself, it would be a good idea to take some time to learn additional t…

"It's way simpler but you'd only get a yesterday's copy in case of problem." I have a restic backup running on that plan instead of rsync, which means I get true backups. The nice thing about that it is that this can be integrated into any "docker compose" pipeline that you like. I'm generally not as hot on Docker as a lot of people but it does do a nice job of containing household services into a text file that can…

> I have a restic backup running on that plan instead of rsync, which means I get true backups.

yeah, yeah, absolutely. rsync is the first thing that came to my mind, but any tool that does a similar/equivalent job is fine here :)

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by reasonabl_human »

40four wrote: post #3

I started running a self hosted Nextcloud instance last year, and I couldn’t be happier with it! This release sounds exciting, guess it’s time to go upgrade :) For those looking to ‘de-Google’ their lives, and control their own data Nextcloud is one of the best options out there.

Very easy to setup and maintain with a dedicated unraid box. Grab an old dell enterprise server like the r210 II and put some WD reds in raid + zfs, install unraid, and it’s good to go.

I actually virtualize unraid within esxi so that one small 1U box can be my router / firewall and an unraid machine serving home services. Best setup I’ve ever had and learned so much along the way!

Re: Nextcloud Hub 21

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Post by reasonabl_human »

hexanal wrote: post #23
40four wrote: post #3

I started running a self hosted Nextcloud instance last year, and I couldn’t be happier with it! This release sounds exciting, guess it’s time to go upgrade :) For those looking to ‘de-Google’ their lives, and control their own data Nextcloud is one of the best options out there.

To echo what the other replies are saying: mine has been running on a DigitalOcean droplet since early 2019 and I only had to reboot it once. It syncs everything, the iOS app and web dashboard are adequate. I would recommend it (but I haven't tried anything else, other than Google Drive or Dropbox, of course)

Haven’t used droplets, do you have to manage backups yourself or is it part of the service?
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