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Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

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Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

#91
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It appears from the link in the settlement agreement: https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/2021.02.17_-_settlemen... Tether wasn’t backed at all times. The argument was that this happened due to asset seizures in Poland and Portugal in 2017-2018. https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/95207/bitfinex-tether-ne... Seems to me they couldn’t prove malicious intent, so they suggested they stop trading. Frankly this seems a…

> (probably is now) This kind of argumentation makes cryptocurrency proponents so insufferable. There’s no evidence Tether is backed, but somehow we can just assume in a parenthesis that they probably are, and then go on a tangential rant about banks or fiat or digital gold or something.

You can take redemption from tether and they will wire you the money, they are in fact registered and regulated. on several exchanges it can be exchanged into fiat, for smaller participant.s

It would collapse a long time ago, if it weren't backed.

Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

#92
post #79

It appears from the link in the settlement agreement: https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/2021.02.17_-_settlemen... Tether wasn’t backed at all times. The argument was that this happened due to asset seizures in Poland and Portugal in 2017-2018. https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/95207/bitfinex-tether-ne... Seems to me they couldn’t prove malicious intent, so they suggested they stop trading. Frankly this seems a…

> (probably is now) This kind of argumentation makes cryptocurrency proponents so insufferable. There’s no evidence Tether is backed, but somehow we can just assume in a parenthesis that they probably are, and then go on a tangential rant about banks or fiat or digital gold or something.

Tether is Tether. Bitcoin is Bitcoin. The fact that exchanges exist which allow you to trade one for the other does not make them the same kind of thing.

Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

#93

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Huh? The NYAG press release literally says: "Tether’s claims that its virtual currency was fully backed by U.S. dollars at all times was a lie." Edit: The difference between the two statements is that Tether can still be "backed" by something other than USD, notably crypto. And the PR is silent on what exactly Tether is backed by. This saga isn't over yet.

I'm also confused by the contradicting news. CryptoTwitter (and the markets) reacted enthusiastically...

Those two quotes aren't necessarily contradictory, they're about different timings. Tether could have been fully backed when issuing new tethers, and stopped issuing tethers during period(s) when it wasn't fully backed.

Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

#94
post #79

It appears from the link in the settlement agreement: https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/2021.02.17_-_settlemen... Tether wasn’t backed at all times. The argument was that this happened due to asset seizures in Poland and Portugal in 2017-2018. https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/95207/bitfinex-tether-ne... Seems to me they couldn’t prove malicious intent, so they suggested they stop trading. Frankly this seems a…

> (probably is now) This kind of argumentation makes cryptocurrency proponents so insufferable. There’s no evidence Tether is backed, but somehow we can just assume in a parenthesis that they probably are, and then go on a tangential rant about banks or fiat or digital gold or something.

Seems logical they would given the investigations and the reason they supposedly didn’t have the funds at the time. I don’t think tether is necessary or a good idea, simply stating what I see.

Frankly, the AG admitted it was backed, just not “the entire time”.

Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

#95
post #75

Looks like Tether is taking the settlement as an agreement of no wrong doing and that no tether coins were issued without backing. https://tether.to/tether-and-bitfinex-reach-settlement-with-...

LOL

"Contrary to online speculation, after two and half years there was no finding that Tether ever issued tethers without backing, or to manipulate crypto prices."

I like how they say "this report doesnt include wrong-doing" instead of saying "we didnt do anything wrong"

Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

#96
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Correlation is not causation. And your mental model of how the cryptocurrency markets work is likely way too simplistic--did you know that cryptocurrency perpetual swap derivatives clear over $350B in daily volume? Pretend for a moment that Tether pulls a Nixon, and closes the "dollar window" ending redeemability. Then what would be the difference between Tether and e.g. the BitMEX XBTUSD perpetual swap contract? Jus…

Editing my response because OP has edited theirs- putting my original comment out of context.

Go read more economics. And maybe trade some financial derivatives, lose some real money and see how that sharpens your mind.

Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

#97
"Contrary to online speculation, there was no finding that Tether ever issued tethers [USDT] without backing, or to manipulate crypto prices"

I hope that ends the spreading of FUD - claiming that bitcoin and other cryptos are propped up by the printing of fake tethers - which seems to spread here every time there is a sharp rise in prices.

Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

#98

Here we are again, with a steady stream of nocoiner comments validating their long held positions while bitcoin slowly marches ahead year after year.

Madoff’s fraud took decades to unravel, too. You’d have looked silly declining to invest there, until the collapse.

Madoff took in large sums of money, gave out little and lied about solvency. Tether is 1/30th the market cap of bitcoin, yet there is a magical belief (based on anonymous articles) that it's the primary source of price levitation.

If true, Grayscale would have this same power.

Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

#99
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (probably is now) This kind of argumentation makes cryptocurrency proponents so insufferable. There’s no evidence Tether is backed, but somehow we can just assume in a parenthesis that they probably are, and then go on a tangential rant about banks or fiat or digital gold or something.

Tether is Tether. Bitcoin is Bitcoin. The fact that exchanges exist which allow you to trade one for the other does not make them the same kind of thing.

No one would care how many Bitcoin they had without an exchange rate.

Tether printing is a convenient way to inflate the exchange rate. Remove Tether printing and the exchange rate falls.

As long as people talk about Bitcoin in terms of the exchange rate, Tether and Bitcoin are deeply connected.

Re: Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity with New Yorkers

#100

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The issue is that if it isn’t backed they can print more at any time. But they claim it is backed to avoid inflation devaluation of the currency. Banks are not lower to print currency but tether can at any time. The potential for fraud sufrounding tether is huge and no one is checking over them. Do you trust them? They are already known for lying. This is why banking regulations exist.

> The issue is that if it isn’t backed they can print more at any time. That’s how all banking works. China, for instance, never even publish how much money they click into existence. Not saying it’s correct, just explaining how the system really works. They really do “create” money. Even synthetic shares are created on the stock market (largely when creating ETF blocks), see “naked shorts”. It happens all the time.…

Tether isn't a bank. It's a stable coin supposed to be backed by real dollars. But that's of course not the case in practice.
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