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Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by petertodd » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:22 PM UTC

lupire wrote: post #216

petertodd wrote: post #75

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They've also eaten soy for much longer than others, literally thousands of years(1) at this point. That's more than long enough to evolve countermeasures if it did have an effect. They also eat soy differently, mainly in products which are fermented. 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#History

So when bullies bully people for eating tofu, they being especially stupid because tofu is the one form of soy that isn't "anti-masculine"?

There are many types of tofu, only some of which are fermented: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tofu#Varieties

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by 4gotunameagain » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:25 PM UTC

arrayjumper wrote: post #160

cblconfederate wrote: post #102

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1. This is happening in the western world, not in places the population is growing fastest 2. It's not just less humans, it s of worse quality

> 2. It's not just less humans, it s of worse quality what do you mean by this? that humans not of the western world are "lower quality"?

I assumed that this characterization in this context meant "less capable to protect Earth/environment/humanity", which is not too controversial given the inverse correlation between average education level and birthrates

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by thrwyoilarticle » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:26 PM UTC

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #199

tubularhells wrote: post #151

Jokes on you, my sperm count fell 100% three years ago, and I like it that way.

How comes? A disease, a condition, or what?

I think OP is hinting at a vasectomy.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by lupire » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:27 PM UTC

jonplackett wrote: post #94

colordrops wrote: post #64

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Anecdote: I avoided all these things and more out of pure hypochondria for decades, and I impregnated my wife the two times we didn't use some form of birth control. I even have a sort of tic I integrated where I pull my testicles out from between my legs when they get constricted, and hadn't remembered why I started doing that until you reminded me that I read something about heat being bad for sperm in the 90s.

Good to have a counter point to the ‘I drink a pint of whisky at night and smoke crack every morning and I got my wife pregnant no problem’ argument!

It's not a counterpoint because no one says crack and whiskyt are required for pregnancy. It's a supporting point that sperm can develop without any particular specialized diet.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by giantg2 » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:28 PM UTC

voqv wrote: post #171

jonplackett wrote: post #83

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Yes absolutely! Still doing the dietary things for her. She gets to have hot baths though, and wear tight fitting underpants. FYI anyone else reading, if you have a boy Teflon is really something you should avoid.

I wonder if it's Teflon in general or damaged Teflon pans - many people do not used them correctly, overheat them and have damaged coatings that leak chemicals. You can go check perfectly fine pans having 1-star Amazon reviews "Pan sticking after a month!".

Here's something interesting to think about.

Did you ever hear of a canary in a coal mine? The miners would take birds in with them to alert them to dangers gasses. If there were dangerous gasses he bird would typically die before the miners did. This is because the bird has very high performance lungs so that they can supply enough oxygen to beat their wings quickly.

You basically can't own a bird in an appartment and cook with teflon cookware or run the self clean setting on the oven (they are teflon coated inside) because the fumes will kill them.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by creata » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:33 PM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #211

creata wrote: post #203

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You're probably right. I just wasn't sure that production and consumption of GMO soy would be so neatly linked like that, because so much of that soy is going to livestock.

Yeah, the lack of certainty of a conclusion is why the word "probably" is in that sentence. It's a qualifier. It indicates I don't actually know for certain and this is guess work. (The guess work preceded the googling up of hand-wavy numbers. It's an internet discussion, not a defense of a PhD dissertation.)

I didn't suggest otherwise.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by forgotmypw17 » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:33 PM UTC

petertodd wrote: post #214

danlugo92 wrote: post #207

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Whats a good alternative? The ceramic ones?

Personally I just use cheap and simple solid stainless steel cookware, and scrub aggressively. Chainmail scrubbers work well for really baked on stuff: https://www.amazon.com/Knapp-Made-CM-Scrubber-Stainless/dp/B... I used to have teflon cookware. It's great in theory. But in practice, I find indestructible stuff that you don't have to baby works much better for me. Of course, if you don't have much upper body streng…

In my experience, anything plant-based comes off readily with just a good soak, unless it's been burned on to blackness.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by DoreenMichele » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:34 PM UTC

creata wrote: post #226

DoreenMichele wrote: post #211

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Yeah, the lack of certainty of a conclusion is why the word "probably" is in that sentence. It's a qualifier. It indicates I don't actually know for certain and this is guess work. (The guess work preceded the googling up of hand-wavy numbers. It's an internet discussion, not a defense of a PhD dissertation.)

I didn't suggest otherwise.

Sorry, my 17 year old high school self seems to be alive and well, after all these years. (Insert jokes about my dotage.)

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by amelius » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:36 PM UTC

numpad0 wrote: post #138

MattGaiser wrote: post #43

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Is there a reason we can't just dump tons of mice into different sets and combos of chemicals and see what happens?

It’s astounding how automated and reproducible software testing is.

And yet software crashes all the time ...

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by spodek » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:36 PM UTC

vincentmarle wrote: post #2

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> I really want to do this, but it seems impossibly hard. For example, almost all the food I buy is in plastic containers.

Hacker News: colonizing to Mars is straightforward and natural. Buying vegetables fresh or organizing a farmers market is impossibly hard and goes against human nature.