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Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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As someone who has had to do IVF for our child and go through the challenge of figuring our what to do to try and improve sperm quality, I can tell you once you start looking into it, basically everything about modern life is bad for sperm. Heat, radiation, plastic, micro plastics, soya, tap water, Teflon, antibacterial soap, underpants, western diet. It’s a perfect storm. If you’re going though it though I offer a r…

We had to use donor sperm, and even then we had 8 miscarriages and 8 rounds of ivf. Every time it was at 5 weeks and 5 days. Doctor finally figured out Wife had an autoimmune disorder (presumed) and 10 mg of prednisone during first trimester solved it, for the next 2 out of 3 ivf cycles to get our 2 little boys. She had cancer cells though so had to have a full hysterectomy so we're likely done unless we adopt now...

It was horrible and miserable but our boys are wonderful and amazing. So it was worth it. Honestly, I'd given up and really was just "okay" with things but it meant "more" to wife her being Mormon (me ex-mormon) there's some cultural stuff there. Now that I'm a dad though, wouldn't trade it for anything - love my boys and have grown a ton since having them, I can't even explain how life is different as a dad and before having kids.

TLDR: Sometimes simple things like 10mg of a steroid to stunt immune system can solve the issue, if you have a recurring miscarriages anyways.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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They've also eaten soy for much longer than others, literally thousands of years(1) at this point. That's more than long enough to evolve countermeasures if it did have an effect. They also eat soy differently, mainly in products which are fermented. 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#History

Almost 95 percent of the soybeans grown in the U.S. are genetically modified. https://www.thedailymeal.com/travel/8-most-genetically-modif... In 2007, over half the world’s soybean crop was genetically modified; a higher percentage than any other crop. https://worldofgenetics.weebly.com/genetically-modified-soyb... Asians are probably eating less GMO soy (than Americans) and we don't really know what those genetic mo…

GMO soy is treated with different pesticides than non-GMO. What we eat still has some of the pesticide in it. It’s worth a considering the impact of the pesticide, too

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Yeah this is my issue. I have to drink bottled water for water quality reasons. How am I supposed to avoid plastic there?

One thing I miss about Germany is S.Pellegrino in glass bottles. Since I moved to Belgium it has been incredibly hard to come by glass-bottled water.

I've found glass-bottled water easy to find in Belgium, I buy cases of Ginstberg (they have both still and carbonated water) in glass bottles in a supermarket here in West Flanders.

I know at least a couple places where you can buy it (Huis Maria in Harelbeke, Vanuxeem in Ploegsteert, so both Flanders and Wallonia) so I would assume those to be widespread enough throughout the country.

To me coming from France it was Belgium that was the easier place to find glass-bottled water :)

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Yeah this is my issue. I have to drink bottled water for water quality reasons. How am I supposed to avoid plastic there?

One thing I miss about Germany is S.Pellegrino in glass bottles. Since I moved to Belgium it has been incredibly hard to come by glass-bottled water.

Can't you just drink tap water, or if it really tastes that bad use a water filter. The idea of buying a new bottle every time you want a drink of water seems insane to me!

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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> antibacterial soap, too? how do you keep yourself clean? Regular soap?

Exactly. Antibacterial soap is marketing BS. Soap already kills bacteria. As it has done since it was invented. Proof point- look how hard antibacterial soap is being advertised during the pandemic, which is cause by a frikkin VIRUS

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> Store food in glass containers, not plastic. Above all, don’t microwave foods in plastic or with plastic wrap on top. Avoid pesticides. Buy organic produce if possible. Avoid tobacco or marijuana. Use a cotton or linen shower curtain, not one made of vinyl. Don’t use air fresheners. Prevent dust buildup. Vet consumer products you use with an online guide like that of the Environmental Working Group. I really want t…

There's a big difference in the amount of leakage from the plastics when it's cold vs when it's heated - so a good step is to put whatever you're heating on a plate before you put it in the microwave (or oven, or…), rather than heating it in the plastic it came in.

Isn't that common sense anyway? Especially the packaging it came with?

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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post #85

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> antibacterial soap, too? how do you keep yourself clean? Regular soap?

Exactly. Antibacterial soap is marketing BS. Soap already kills bacteria. As it has done since it was invented. Proof point- look how hard antibacterial soap is being advertised during the pandemic, which is cause by a frikkin VIRUS

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Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Yeah this is my issue. I have to drink bottled water for water quality reasons. How am I supposed to avoid plastic there?

This is very much a cultural thing. Over here, you can easily get bottled water in glass bottles. The delivery services will pick up your tray with empty bottles to be reused. That's reuse after cleaning, not recycling!

Europe, I guess? I had a talk late last year with a local brewery (traditinal bavarian one, family operated since the 1400s). And apparently everyone, especially Coca Cola, is going for glass right now. To the point reusable glass bottles are an actual bottle neck for them. Mind you, depsite the Covid caused demand drop. That was quite an interesting fun fact for me.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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The planet is ridding itself of its disease, beautiful.

If you consider humans a disease, would you be ok with someone killing you? Because that's what you do to a disease, you get rid of it.

I'm thinking in terms of an organism going against its own ecosystem.

Imagine if a new species of killer ant evolved that has no natural predators, procreates quickly and eats up its habitat. For a short while it's going to be the greatest species in its ecosystem...

Of course we likely wouldn't see such an ant because it would have wiped itself out by resource exhaustion unless it adapted (or e.g. a natural predator came about).

An ant couldn't do much about its biological makeup or its instincts and so nature would run its course; it lacks self-awareness and general intelligence.

Now imagine humanity, posessing these traits, would recognize that it itself is the killer ant and would organize itself with their great scientific and economic prowess and with the same fervor it discusses about banalities during this - historically speaking - mild pandemic (mild in the sense that coronavirus is not the black death, not mild in the sense that so many people died unnecessarily due to our own shortcomings) to not eat their habitat. Or it would stop constantly working against its self-imposed conflicting incentives in poltics or the economy. Or it would stop trapping hundreds of millions of people in self-serving mind cages optimizing for metrics that make no sense and pondering about how to best mind control their userbase. Or it would stop allocating so many resources (money) towards fads, consumption crap and get-rich-quick schemes.

The pandemic forced our hands, it couldn't be kicked down the road for some later time (an excellent motivator!) and so we adapted; unfortunately biosphere degradation as a whole does not yet, which is why our reaction is so sluggish and overconsumption or pollution are still mostly seen as some optional or cosmetic problem (but at least they're seen, I guess).

And no, many solutions offered by businesses are none: replacing hundreds of millions of cars with hundreds of millions of other cars? Replacing plastic straws in fast food restaurants with paper ones while the food served there is subsidized by an agricultural industry with ridiculous land use (just look at current satellite maps... holy crap).

The patient earth is ill and treating overconsumption with another (more nicely dressed) form of overconsumption is symptomatic at best and a distraction. If you're a smoker the only thing you can do to truly cure the ailments is to fix the root cause and stop smoking, not take pills to mask the symptoms.

I hope one of these days a critical mass realizes that modern manufactured-demand capitalism has run its course or we're in for a bad time (the more sensitive individuals already are). But I suppose that would entail realizing that so many of us dependent on it have been living a lie.

/rant (not really related to parent, so sorry if you felt antagonized, but I had to let this out somewhere whew)

P.S. Somewhat related to the article: I recently discovered these good looking closed aquariums called ecosphere. Turns out if you put higher organisms like shrimp in there they won't procreate due to bad environmental conditions.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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There's a big difference in the amount of leakage from the plastics when it's cold vs when it's heated - so a good step is to put whatever you're heating on a plate before you put it in the microwave (or oven, or…), rather than heating it in the plastic it came in.

Isn't that common sense anyway? Especially the packaging it came with?

Lots of plastic containers for left over food claims to be microwave friendly.

There are several pre-made food products on the market with plastic containers that instructs you to cook them in microwave with the plastic packaging still on. One product I tried recently even had a little tab on the plastic wrapper that would start whistling when the food was done. I think I tried it that one time. I don't usually buy things like that.

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