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Re: Covid vaccination linked to 'substantial reduction' in hospital admissions

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Yes, absolutely that should be the "end" of it. Especially since we are already giving the vaccine to front line works who aren't old or in danger. Anyone who wants to hole up until they get the vaccine should be able to. But I'll take the low risk.

Everyone can empathise with wanting life to get back to normal. However the problem with folk wanting to take the individual risk is that the “low” percentage of people needing medical help can still overburden health care systems. This potentially means that people with other illness / disease can’t / don’t see a doctor in time, and others in a society take the brunt. Yes, let’s open up; but let’s not throw caution…

> can still overburden health care systems

But they haven’t. The prevailing opinion I’m seeing on HN recently is that the US didn’t do a “real” lockdown which is why there are still so many cases. They opine that Americans largely didn’t “comply” with the government orders rendering any potential positive effects from lockdowns moot.

If you take that at face value, then shouldn’t we have had an overwhelmed medical system by now?

The Denver convention center was turned into a makeshift hospital for almost a year. They never had a single patient. My relatives lost their low-paying jobs and are still jobless today.

Remember the military hospital ships that were sent to NY and LA? They never saw a single COVID patient?

At this point I just don’t see any evidence that our healthcare system overwhelmed in any meaningful way. It’s FUD.

Don’t try and post an article about how some random ICU was at 80% capacity. ICUs are designed to be near operating capacity because it’s a waste of resources to over supply.

Re: Covid vaccination linked to 'substantial reduction' in hospital admissions

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Since we're on the topic, shouldn't this (hospital admissions) be the almost singular criterion to influence public policy / restrictive measures? The line I've heard repeatedly is we're waiting for "total" herd immunity, as in ensuring almost all of a population is potentially protected from the virus. Frequently quoting fall / end of 2021, potentially into 2022. Shouldn't the only benchmark be those with medium-to-…

Should we have an "end"? To play devil's advocate, clearly the world can handle a certain amount of locking-down, the social distancing, the mask wearing, etc., so it seems it is better if we just accept these restrictions indefinitely because we can save more people. Maybe we're fine not having mass gatherings, not eating indoors, and not leaving the house without a mask if it means saving the vulnerable. After all,…

That sounds pretty close to fighting words to me.

Re: Covid vaccination linked to 'substantial reduction' in hospital admissions

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Since we're on the topic, shouldn't this (hospital admissions) be the almost singular criterion to influence public policy / restrictive measures? The line I've heard repeatedly is we're waiting for "total" herd immunity, as in ensuring almost all of a population is potentially protected from the virus. Frequently quoting fall / end of 2021, potentially into 2022. Shouldn't the only benchmark be those with medium-to-…

Should we have an "end"? To play devil's advocate, clearly the world can handle a certain amount of locking-down, the social distancing, the mask wearing, etc., so it seems it is better if we just accept these restrictions indefinitely because we can save more people. Maybe we're fine not having mass gatherings, not eating indoors, and not leaving the house without a mask if it means saving the vulnerable. After all,…

Assuming this is not sarcasm, this can be taken to any logical extreme of "tolerable". I'm sure there are many other new restrictions we can put in place that would make people's lives (more) miserable, that are nevertheless "tolerable".

Furthermore, can the world really handle the restrictions in place indefinitely? We've been locked down for a year, and it's certainly starting to feel like the wheels are coming off for many. The economic devastation alone has been staggering.

Epidemiologically speaking, sure, doing this forever would save the most amount of people from COVID. But we can't just look at this from that point of view.

Re: Covid vaccination linked to 'substantial reduction' in hospital admissions

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Everyone can empathise with wanting life to get back to normal. However the problem with folk wanting to take the individual risk is that the “low” percentage of people needing medical help can still overburden health care systems. This potentially means that people with other illness / disease can’t / don’t see a doctor in time, and others in a society take the brunt. Yes, let’s open up; but let’s not throw caution…

> can still overburden health care systems But they haven’t. The prevailing opinion I’m seeing on HN recently is that the US didn’t do a “real” lockdown which is why there are still so many cases. They opine that Americans largely didn’t “comply” with the government orders rendering any potential positive effects from lockdowns moot. If you take that at face value, then shouldn’t we have had an overwhelmed medical sy…

> If you take that at face value, then shouldn’t we have had an overwhelmed medical system by now?

We did, in many cases, had overwhelmed medical systems at the local peaks, which were not nationally synchronized.

> Remember the military hospital ships that were sent to NY and LA? They never saw a single COVID patient?

You mean the ones that the military explicitly restricted to not taking COVID patients?

Yeah, I remember that. Funny how they never saw any COVID patients.

Re: Covid vaccination linked to 'substantial reduction' in hospital admissions

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> can still overburden health care systems But they haven’t. The prevailing opinion I’m seeing on HN recently is that the US didn’t do a “real” lockdown which is why there are still so many cases. They opine that Americans largely didn’t “comply” with the government orders rendering any potential positive effects from lockdowns moot. If you take that at face value, then shouldn’t we have had an overwhelmed medical sy…

> If you take that at face value, then shouldn’t we have had an overwhelmed medical system by now? We did, in many cases, had overwhelmed medical systems at the local peaks, which were not nationally synchronized. > Remember the military hospital ships that were sent to NY and LA? They never saw a single COVID patient? You mean the ones that the military explicitly restricted to not taking COVID patients ? Yeah, I re…

The US Navy reports that the Hospital Ship Mercy treated fewer than 200 patients in total.

“ By the time of Comfort’s departure, the approximately 1,200-person crew and 1,000-bed hospital had treated just 182 patients, of which approximately 70 percent had COVID-19”

So I guess we were both wrong.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/04/30/hospital...

Re: Covid vaccination linked to 'substantial reduction' in hospital admissions

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> If you take that at face value, then shouldn’t we have had an overwhelmed medical system by now? We did, in many cases, had overwhelmed medical systems at the local peaks, which were not nationally synchronized. > Remember the military hospital ships that were sent to NY and LA? They never saw a single COVID patient? You mean the ones that the military explicitly restricted to not taking COVID patients ? Yeah, I re…

The US Navy reports that the Hospital Ship Mercy treated fewer than 200 patients in total. “ By the time of Comfort’s departure, the approximately 1,200-person crew and 1,000-bed hospital had treated just 182 patients, of which approximately 70 percent had COVID-19” So I guess we were both wrong. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/04/30/hospital...

> So I guess we were both wrong.

Er, how was I wrong, again?

Re: Covid vaccination linked to 'substantial reduction' in hospital admissions

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The US Navy reports that the Hospital Ship Mercy treated fewer than 200 patients in total. “ By the time of Comfort’s departure, the approximately 1,200-person crew and 1,000-bed hospital had treated just 182 patients, of which approximately 70 percent had COVID-19” So I guess we were both wrong. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/04/30/hospital...

> So I guess we were both wrong. Er, how was I wrong, again?

> You mean the ones that the military explicitly restricted to not taking COVID patients?

Yet 70% of the 182 patients had COVID.

Re: Covid vaccination linked to 'substantial reduction' in hospital admissions

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I don't mean to imply that this is your intention at all, but it's a false choice. Both questions are interesting; no need to set them up as if they were in tension with one another.

I meant less interesting as in all the studies/trials have already confirmed that the vaccines significantly reduce severe symptoms...the effect on transmission is still an open question from what I understand.

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Re: Covid vaccination linked to 'substantial reduction' in hospital admissions

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> So I guess we were both wrong. Er, how was I wrong, again?

> You mean the ones that the military explicitly restricted to not taking COVID patients? Yet 70% of the 182 patients had COVID.

Sorry, I realized and would have deleted that if you hadn't been so quick.

Re: Covid vaccination linked to 'substantial reduction' in hospital admissions

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I've posted elsewhere but Here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.16.21249950v...

Where in that study does it show the the numbers for the pre-COVID healthy cohort?

I believe what you're asking about is covered in table 1 and figure 2.

They're reporting hazard ratios after propensity score matching with people who had the flu during the same time period.

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