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Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by Fogest »

curlypaul924 wrote: post #414
Fogest wrote: post #242

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Yeah for sure. Like it's not racist that I like the white part of an Oreo cookie more than the black part. It just so happens that the cookie portions is called black and the filling colour is called white but other than that the colour is irrelevant. I also have never heard of white markets, but I have heard and often use the word "grey market" to indicate an in between of legal and the illegal markets. This helps p…

The oreo itself may not be racist, but it most definitely is associated with racism because of its colors. So I would caution you in using it as an analogy; it may be why your post was flagged.

What? I have never in my life heard of a damn cookie being called racist. That is insane. I am not going to be caution in the least with using that anaology. I am using a cookie to talk about how ridiculous things are and you're telling me a cookie is offensive. That is insane.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

ttt0 wrote: post #524
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #520

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All such cases of pogroms, ethnic cleansing and so on in recorded human history, happened because of systems that openly, tacitly or implicitly accepted or promoted racist views, laws and sentiments. In some cases the inaction of the system allowed them to happen, in other cases the system directly inflamed them to happen. In others yet, the system (by extension the military and others directly under command of the s…

Which is what you can see today, with corporations and the media promoting anti-white sentiments. Well, systems are made up of people, are they not?

If you think the current relatively mild upset of the status quo in any way constitutes an "anti-white sentiment", you've been living an extremely sheltered and privileged life.

White men still hold the overwhelming power in the western world, in politics, business and culture.

The fact that minorities are making their voices heard and demanding their rights be respected does not discriminate against white people. Various minorities have been politely asking for their rights to be respected for decades, even centuries at this point. Now they're demanding to be heard, which shouldn't really surprise anyone.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by doublekill »

rsynnott wrote: post #417

> They found that 80% of chess videos that were flagged for hate speech actually ahd terms like 'black,' 'white,' 'attack' and 'threat.' Surely effectively all chess videos, banned or not, have those words in them? This all feels pretty speculative.

What happened during start of pandemic is WHO and big tech meeting up to discuss the threat of an "infodemic". Companies such as Google, Facebook, and Twitter, agreed to suppress amateur takes on COVID. Mentioning COVID would vastly decrease your reach if not a verified public health source. It would get you demonitized, to not incentivise low-quality clickbait COVID videos. Of course, these algorithms are way more aggressive and produce more false positives (ads removed for just mentioning COVID without giving false cures, like happened here).

It has nothing to do with white or black and race. Just the nitwits at WHO and big business mismanaging crowd intelligence during a pandemic. WHO said masks do not work. Youtube banned users for mentioning vitamin D defiency and COVID. But they meant it well...

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by [deleted] »

crististm wrote: post #483
uniqueid wrote: post #311

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I don't care if what you watch is good or bad for you . I care if what you watch turns you into a threat to me . Based on the past few years, it looks like maybe 20% of the general population is suggestible enough to endanger the rest of us.

What should we do about the 20%?

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Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by deanCommie »

Fogest wrote: post #170
azernik wrote: post #70

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That one's a bit more understandable in that it's actually referencing a master/slave relationship. "Master" as in "master copy" is... not that.

Yes, a master/slave relationship in technology. Don't drop the context to support policing words. Context very much matters when dealing with words yet for some reason the context is dropped in order to make it seem like a word is being used in an offensive way. Except it's not, you're just forgetting the context to make it that way. If a process is directly commanding and telling another process what to do I don't s…

There is an open source tool that randomly terminates EC2 instances in the interest of chaos engineering called "chaos monkey".

What would you think if the tool was called "concentration camp executioner"?

You might think I'm making an extreme example to make a point, and I am - you would have a viscerally emotional reaction and recognize that the accuracy of a word does not offset the negative connotations associated with it.

I use the word "gypped" in my vocabulary. It never occurred to me that it is a derogatory term towards gypsies. Until very recently, "jewed" was a perfectly appropriate term to use in professional contexts with the same meaning.

The definition of a word is not relevant to the reasons why people are asking for terms like master/slave to exit our ubiquitous technical vocabulary.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

sammax wrote: post #448
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #421

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It is insane how people will always continue to blame the other side even when replying to a comment pointing out how basically everyone on the political spectrum currently feels this way.

It's even more insane how willing people are to say "both sides do X" when one side does X a thousand times more than the other side does.

You just proved my point again?

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by Aerroon »

amirkdv wrote: post #251
Aerroon wrote: post #126

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Why do we need laws around this? We need to hold the people accountable that put this into production and/or produced it. People should be able to build bad AI, but if that causes poor real world outcomes, then the people that okay'd its use need to take responsibility. "An AI erroneously banned the channel," shouldn't get any more leeway than "A support staff member banned the channel."

> Why do we need laws around this? We need to hold the people accountable [...] [T]he people that okay'd its use need to take responsibility. Genuinely asking: what do you think profitable companies would do to their ML engineers over a product issue like this if there was no law under which they would be sued? I think accountability without an enforcement mechanism is just a wishful suggestion.

>what do you think profitable companies would do to their ML engineers over a product issue like this if there was no law under which they would be sued?

Nothing. Maybe a reprimand at best, because the consequences of this are fairly minor. If a store erroneously bans you and them unbans you and says that there was a mixup with their policy, then what do you think should be the consequences to the store? If it's effectively a monopoly then I can see there being problems, but if it's just a random store then that doesn't really matter.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by ivanhoe »

yellowapple wrote: post #327
sillysaurusx wrote: post #323

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I don't think Youtube necessarily needs to be broken apart, but they are a natural monopoly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly The cost to a competitor is in getting a user to switch. Think of it in terms of paying users: how much would you have to pay someone to switch from Youtube to your site? Multiply the average by the number of users, and that's the advantage Youtube has over competitors.

YouTube doesn't really fit the definition of a natural monopoly, particularly because there's nothing fundamentally stopping other services from popping up. YouTube's status as an effective monopoly doesn't come from some sort of scarcity of the means of production. > The cost to a competitor is in getting a user to switch. Only if we're assuming that users and uploaders will only ever use exactly one service at any…

Thing is that the free market approach just doesn't work in markets where there's only a few players and the cost of entering the market is extremely high. Simply there's no enough competition to make things actually competitive. That's why google provides no support and shuts down peoples accounts without warnings... they can, they just don't give a shit. They know they will not loose any clients over that, and in the end that attitude detriments the quality of services for both viewers and content producers (and especially them).

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by Filligree »

juanani wrote: post #456
TomSwirly wrote: post #431

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> The problem is that the other guy is saying the same thing you are. The other guy is also claiming that Trump won the election, global heating is a hoax, COVID-19 is a hoax, Obama is a Muslim from Kenya, and his wife Michelle is a man. > And the moderates are pointing at both sides and claiming the same thing. Sorry, this just isn't so. Your answer boils down to this: "There is no truth. If one person says Michelle…

Have you personally seen Michelle Obama's sexual organs that you can 100% be certain with your claims? Every since the ban on free speech, I really haven't followed what the conspiracies are. What I do hear is 3rd party reports on what those conspiracies are and what 'they believe'. You listed off a bunch of nonsense - do you really think people actually believe that crap or are you the one fooled into thinking someo…

> You listed off a bunch of nonsense - do you really think people actually believe that crap or are you the one fooled into thinking someone actually believes that? The more outlandish they sound, the better case for censoring, right? These cases just sound like a reporter went on 4chan, decided they dont like this so they must be the 'other side'. And it was enough to convince the majority that censorship is the way.

I personally know someone who believes about half of that. It sure doesn't feel unusual.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by onethought »

Fogest wrote: post #537
onethought wrote: post #394

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Someone’s opinion based on solid fact? So is it a fact or an opinion? If you view their reply as not productive and they view your statement as not productive... then maybe stop having that discussion until you can both bring more empathy to the table.

If you read the conversation I did stop having discussion with them and told them to stop having a discussion with me. Facts don't always tell a story or explain the "why". Often times you have to form an opinion based on the facts and that is what you're bringing to the table when discussing stuff. I don't see why I need to explain this concept on a site like this.

You’ve got a pretty hostile nature to the way you reply to people.

Facts actually always tell the story and the “why” is more facts as well.

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