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This thread is nothing but personal anecdotes.
So, with enough anecdotes we'll reach statistical significance
No, because anecdotes suffer from sample bias since they are self-reported.
Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide
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Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide
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I'm Chinese. Many languages and expressions in this thread not only detests me but also represent the very opposite of western critical thinking. I appreciate the western style of logical thinking. You are being taught in schools how to tell the truth and bust lies, to criticize, to doubt, to ask questions no one dares to ask. You are taught definitions of fallacies, the art of debate, the wisdom of introspection. I…
Beautifully written. But you mislead. You start by criticizing the Chinese education system and then you say there is no way to verify the story of CCP, so CCP may not be the bad people. That the impression you provide in this post and in reply post to this one. Here's another view point. CCP is anti democracy. Any Chinese citizen who oppose the authority of CCP must be encouraged in the interest to promote democracy…
This is the classic US reason for invading another country, plundering it and then fucking off. It has to be done to spread "democracy". Guess what: It's not very democratic to waltz into some country and tell them how to act and how to appoint their leaders.
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There are comments on HN right now where people are questioning whether freedom of speech is good in the US by US citizens. Why would someone from China think it’s working after the shit show of 2020 and our own citizens not having confidence?
There’s a credible case to be made that freedom of speech has allowed the US to prosper.
The US has prospered in war. It is in fact still basically prospering through war.
Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide
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> I work with a lot of folks from China and they (...) What you say represents about 50% of Chinese researchers in my lab. Those that immediately return to their country after the PhD and you never hear from them again. The other 50% are the complete opposite: they cannot wait to get their family out of the country and never look back, explaining that the country is ruled by a bunch of crazy psycopaths. Curiously eno…
The question is, are their psychopaths crazier than our psychopaths.
Maybe, maybe not, but our psychopaths are restrained by a government designed to be inefficient and to frustrate tyrants.
We just had an attempted fascist coup in the USA and it failed hilariously. The swamp is a good thing. It’s there to bog down tyrants in mud. Efficient government is dangerous.
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>This is my greatest fear for humanity right now. Not Climate chaos/disaster, ecological+societal collapse, pollution?! Micro-plastics? Nukes? Hello?
> Not Climate chaos/disaster, ecological+societal collapse, pollution?! Micro-plastics? China's the leading driver of these things right now, by miles. > Nukes? You don't think nuclear-armed superpowers (like, say, China, Russia, and the US) butting heads might, you know, contribute to nukes being a danger in the first place? Or indeed, contribute to nukes being stockpiled in the first place?
The nukes being stockpiled again (or more, as the case may be) globally is the cause of a single country in that list.
Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide
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> Elsewhere you may speak your mind without fear of being locked up or killed. Like Assange did? https://cpj.org/reports/2020/12/record-number-journalists-ja... > This marks the fifth consecutive year that repressive governments have imprisoned at least 250 journalists. Lack of global leadership on democratic values – particularly from the United States, where President Donald Trump has inexhaustibly denigrated the p…
CPJ, based in New York. Such an organization would never be allowed to exist in China. It is the likes of the CCP & Trump who would paint the world as black and white, i.e. you're either with me or against me. The rest of us acknowledge that press freedoms enable a spectrum of viewpoints.
But you just said in the previous comment than A) Journalists were not jailed in the west. B) Freedom of the press was a clear cut issue. I would love to see how your brain works.
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We have no leverage and the global economic system doesn’t care enough. Let’s be real, China is the new world super power. The US is still riding the coattails of prior success. We’re a confused divided country and China has a brutally efficient system of exploitation the US needs.
Moral authority over martial or material. Nature wins without effort. Storms and earthquakes go where they want, regardless of who lives or dies. The USA doesn't need the competition. Leave us alone please, for just once in our history. Our entire existence, the world has waged war against us. Imaging black holes. Probes inside the Sun. Ever growing size of matter waves. Find peace please, or I build a horrible weapo…
> Our entire existence, the world has waged war against us.
For the most recent part of it, it has rather been the inverse.
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> Elsewhere you may speak your mind without fear of being locked up or killed. Like Assange did? https://cpj.org/reports/2020/12/record-number-journalists-ja... > This marks the fifth consecutive year that repressive governments have imprisoned at least 250 journalists. Lack of global leadership on democratic values – particularly from the United States, where President Donald Trump has inexhaustibly denigrated the p…
The difference between authoritarian and democratic states is that CPJ wouldn't exist in authoritarian states. The very existence of a report which documents the actions against journalists wouldn't exist in authoritarian states. How hard is it to understand this ?
Even the most authoritarians of the states have inside groups who oppose them (from the dictatorships in Chile and Argentina, to Saddam in Iraq, to Putin in Russia, to Trump in America), the groups can be more or less tolerated in function on how dangerous they are perceived. See the treatment of the black panther movement and the communist party in America.
The narrative is created by powerful people usually with input of the state. Can you in all sincerity claim that the treatment of the Palestinians from the Israelis is not in the same league or even worst? And yet you dont hear anyone here talking about a genocide there and any criticism of Israel is swiftly called anti-Semitic.
Manufacturing consent, good old Chomsky was right, as usual.
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It's very odd, when there's countless witnesses, satalite imagery, press teams finding these places, and the CCP even admitting to education camps that there are people going "it's not so bad" and defending CCP. Even if the camps are just "re-education camps", thats still really bad.
How do you respond to islamic extremism in your country? Attacks in Tieneman square used to be bad before it was the Uyghurs doing it. Islamic terrorism used to be bad, before it was the Uyghurs doing it. China has a responsibility to deal with this problem, and if there a nice, gentle way to deal with it, I can't think of what it might be.
Nobody has a responsibility to "re-educate" an entire culture. It's a no go, full stop.
Especially because there is not a gentle way, what you end up with is still genocide. Mincing words can't change facts.
The CCP consider extremism every form of dissent. By that standard, nobody is a terrorist, because everybody is a terrorist. And the ultimate consequence is that the party feels entitled to do whatever they want to any citizen. Which is again unacceptable.
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The standard of evidence for a country with free press cannot and should not be compared to the standard of evidence for a country with no press freedom. China controls flow of information so tightly, that even rumours should be considered credible unless proven otherwise.
>even rumours should be considered credible unless proven otherwise. That's rather convenient. Wonder if any global powers with a vested interest could take advantage of this mindset...
Yeah, its convenient, but even more convenient is the mindset of ignoring existing evidence and bending over backwards for the pleasure of profiting off cheap manufacturing.