YouTube should not be blocking any channels or taking down videos in all but the most egregious circumstances. These companies are absolutely out of control and have been for a while.
YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs
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#472Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is an astoundingly extreme claim. First we have to accept the premise that live music is “dead”. Second it’s due to some orthogonal factor like a smoking ban as opposed to recorded music becoming way more accessible through technology. It’s an extreme claim with very little rigor.
> First we have to accept the premise that live music is “dead”. By almost all measures, it is. Number of artists, average age of artists, revenue, number of customers, etc. > as opposed to recorded music becoming way more accessible through technology. Except that by most measures the general public consumes VASTLY less music than they used to, so it isn't accessibility driving it. Now, you could suggest that it's b…
> Except that by most measures the general public consumes VASTLY less music than they used to, so it isn't accessibility driving it.
Compared to when? 1800? 1970? 2010?
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#473but computers are good and help people so that’s why I think it’s good that google fights nazis
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#474“ The researchers now suggest that social-media platforms should incorporate chess language in their algorithms to avoid future incidents like this.” Or maybe don’t automate banning YouTube channels via nebulous black boxes? Or can advertisers stop being afraid of anything and everything?
Advertisers, youtubers, users, brands - everyone was happy prior to the era of demonetization. What killed the golden goose was an extremely small set of activists and journalists (specifically Media Matters and Vox) methodically threatening brands with publication of screenshots of their "support" for controversial niche videos. And just enough brand marketing and YouTube employees were cowed, or at least ideologica…
An Israeli had build a tool to detect anti-semitism in videos and comments. Not being able to sell to YouTube, they pivoted to targeting advertisers ("make sure your advertisements do not appear next to racist content"). Part of this was a PR campaign, where they would mail journalists "scoops" with videos with lots of views, anti-semetic content, and no moderation of YouTube.
With every such news article, YouTube stepped up its game. It culminated with PewdiePie making an "anti-semetic" joke, and this resulted in the Adpocalypse.
So I'd say it was more commercial interests than activism interests, but at times these align.
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#475What is amazing is how there is no way to recover from all these algorithmic banning. I'm getting banned on Twitter every other day from following anyone because I follow a lot of academics. It's all legitimate but algos detected some pattern and I'm now toast. Twitter provides exactly zero ways to report this or fix this. They simply don't care if some monority users suffer. We see same things when Google disables a…
I had a friend call me–practically in tears–because YouTube removed his highest viewed video game montage for violating their hate speech policy. Context: WWII tank game playing as the Germans, usually with some old german language folk song in the background. It's algorithmically removed and most likely algorithmically reviewed upon appeal, and there's basically no recourse for him. Meanwhile, similar videos by other creators have their content left up.
I have to remind him that, unfortunately, YouTube has no shortage of content and absolutely nothing to lose from false flagging a subset of it, compared to the pushback they get for letting something truly horrible slip through the cracks.
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#476Earlier quoted context omitted.
Advertisers, youtubers, users, brands - everyone was happy prior to the era of demonetization. What killed the golden goose was an extremely small set of activists and journalists (specifically Media Matters and Vox) methodically threatening brands with publication of screenshots of their "support" for controversial niche videos. And just enough brand marketing and YouTube employees were cowed, or at least ideologica…
It's stupid, because in the era of television, people understood that the advertising commercial breaks in programmes were distinct from the actual content of the programme, and that the advertisers are _not_ endorsing the contents of the programme at all! How this somehow translated, in the era of online youtube videos, to the exact opposite is still a mystery to me. So what if your ad appeared next to something rad…
Not sure if this is true about the past era.
I don't know much about TV, but in newspapers print and online, where to put ads has at least for a long time included considerations beyond of just what space is available.
At the news site I worked, the CMS had an per article option to white/blacklist ads from categories or disable them entirely. E.g. so to not show an car advertisement boasting their reliability under an article of an car accident where a child has died.
Or in print news papers (especially weekly ones) you often see that it is structured in a way that the realities about the harsh world and negative stories in general are in the first parts and the paper becomes more and more fluffy and feel-good as you turn the pages. It is in those later sections where most big brands want their ads to be placed.
Also, a lot of things that are pretty normal these days would have caused outrage and protests against the publishers not too long ago.
In my view, people were always easily offended/outraged. Just what causes it, and which views have significant followings and voice changes over time.
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#477Earlier quoted context omitted.
Racism is a systemic issue, not an individual issue. The simple fact that you react this strongly to being even slightly corrected, shows clearly that you've been on the good end of "different rules for me than for thee" for so long that you can't even see the injustice it causes for those on the bad end. People disagreeing with you online is not an injustice, it's just reality. When you go from being coddled to bein…
Jesus Christ, stop downvoting and flagging these comments. As much as I disagree with the comment, it correctly explains what the disagreement is, which is that we have different definitions of racism. According to this brave new definition of racism, KKK is not inherently racist, because it's a systemic issue, not an individual issue.
The KKK were part of the system, and the system in many states supported them, either tacitly or even openly in some cases. Members of the KKK rose to the highest positions in local and federal politics and influenced police and lawmaking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan_members_in_United...
The rise of the different incarnations of the Klan can be directly tied to politics of segregation, Jim Crow laws and other factors that in some form continue to hobble black Americans in particular, to this day.
It is a systemic problem, perpetuated by a system that needs an underclass of disposable labor to oppress.
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#478Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is insane how people will always continue to blame the other side even when replying to a comment pointing out how basically everyone on the political spectrum currently feels this way.
It's even more insane how willing people are to say "both sides do X" when one side does X a thousand times more than the other side does.
Blaming one side over another doesn't actually solve any problems, just increases polarization, which is the whole issue.
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#479Earlier quoted context omitted.
> piled on by a mob That’s the perception - but usually it’s at most a few hundred busybodies on Twitter, out of Google’s billions of users. People just need to start ignoring these people. They are a tiny minority of people. (It just so happens that seemingly half of them are journalists at the nation’s biggest newspapers.)
I guess that's true but only until the NYT or whoever decides to join in as well.
NYT in the end though, is just one big blog, owned by a group with their own interests. Only when their interests line up with those of Google and Facebooks owners would they work in tandem.
The solution for those wanting unfettered culture in the Information Age, not beholden to big finance and big techs whims, remains free and distributed software, such as running your own blogs, peertube, etc
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#480Why is Google so averse to "human in the loop" solutions?