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Re: The US government is inviting inflation

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20% of all dollars were created in 2020. The only thing preventing that from translating into the broader price level is that money velocity collapsed due to the Covid shutdowns. Instead most of that has channeled into financial and property asset prices. Once velocity increases, as is the plan if you assume 2021 is the year we "recover" from Covid restrictions, the Fed will have a choice between inflation and deflat…

> I would like to read an analysis of how they plan on veeeery carefully extricating themselves from this situation but as far as I can tell the strategy is to wing it.

Agreed I would be interested in this as well. However my understanding is these strategies from a play by play plan perspective are very confidential, for obvious reasons (people would play the market to every FED move, more than they do now).

Re: The US government is inviting inflation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The poor would soon learn their one shot out of poverty is keeping their job and throwing their UBI income straight into the stock market. This would propel the prices of equities to even greater stratospheric heights, and as the investor class gets richer eventually the prices of all commodities rise to capture this easy money flowing around. So now the poor have more money but it still buys less or equal to what it…

Any UBI is not going to be "in addition to" whatever other money you might earn, but is more likely to look something like a minimum income, below which you cannot drop (even if you stop working).

And you don’t think people getting UBI with a bunch of free time aren’t going to occupy that time by taking unofficial jobs and getting paid under the table to earn more income? Get real.

Re: The US government is inviting inflation

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After following Peter Schiff for over a decade, and him being thoroughly wrong about inflation after 2008, I can't help but think "this time is different". Before 2020 all money printing went to banks, which increased the wealth of the 1% and increased asset prices, but it didn't create inflation. But now, we have actual helicopter money. And this time I believe Peter when he says, once you start with stimulus cheque…

> ... and him being thoroughly wrong about inflation after 2008

Yes, but I've listened to a lot of Peter Schiff, so I'll offer a defence of his position that he might agree with (although it isn't one he'd make) by breaking inflation into 2 parts:

Assumption (wildly radical) - inflation is exactly equal to the change in monetary supply.

Say there is 100% inflation of the monetary base (and, by assumption, cost of everything doubles) and people become twice as productive from technological improvement (cost of everything halves). The BLS would say inflation is 0%, because the net availability of goods and services to people hasn't changed. Schiff would say there has been 100% inflation because in a counterfactual everyone could have had twice as much stuff.

I'm not sure what word the economic mainstream would use to describe what Schiff is talking about. I would call it Gross inflation, I suppose.

Re: The US government is inviting inflation

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was he really wrong? If I gift money to an extremely over leveraged banks to save them and, with puckered sphincters (they just saw the abyss), they hold onto it then we won’t “see inflation”. It’s there, but it’s latent inflation. If I demolish wages by exporting jobs overseas, that will have a deflationary effect to counter the effect of inflation. If I replace cocoa butter with food wax, I hide inflation. If I don…

What's the argument for housing not being included thats blizzare.

I haven't crunched the numbers but so much of people's income goes to housing and housing prices vary so much that I think that would likely result in the outliers trashing any utility the index has.

Re: The US government is inviting inflation

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post #2

After following Peter Schiff for over a decade, and him being thoroughly wrong about inflation after 2008, I can't help but think "this time is different". Before 2020 all money printing went to banks, which increased the wealth of the 1% and increased asset prices, but it didn't create inflation. But now, we have actual helicopter money. And this time I believe Peter when he says, once you start with stimulus cheque…

Was he really wrong? If I gift money to an extremely over leveraged banks to save them and, with puckered sphincters (they just saw the abyss), they hold onto it then we won’t “see inflation”. It’s there, but it’s latent inflation. If I demolish wages by exporting jobs overseas, that will have a deflationary effect to counter the effect of inflation. If I replace cocoa butter with food wax, I hide inflation. If I don…

I agree with you, but that doesn't take away from the fact that now we might see actual inflation at the level of "everyone". Which is different to the asset price inflation we've seen in the last 12 years.

Re: The US government is inviting inflation

#56
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A powerful argument against UBI.

So, bailing out the rich is good, feeding the poor causes an inflation crash. What a world we live in.

I don’t think OP argued to bail out the rich. They only argued that UBI doesn’t make sense.

Maybe UBI makes sense. Maybe it doesn’t. I’m on the fence, personally. But bailing out the way we did in 2008-2009, where CEOs and other saboteurs got massive bonuses instead of jail time, was highly immoral. Some of believe that that caused latent inflation.

Bailing out the rich has nothing to do with UBI.

I’ll welcome an UBI scheme that doesn’t wreck personal agency and responsibility. But the onus is on the proponents to prove that it isn’t a terminal civilization’s 21st century version of the Roman “bread and circus”

Btw, a great implicit UBI is to

- reduce the work week to 30 hours. Shares existing jobs with more people

- change the “part time” rules to discourage hiring “part time” employees to avoid benefits

- increase minimum pay. Yes, that too. But it has to be local government in a manner that makes sense to their local economy. Alternatively the federal imposed min. wage should depend on geography

- Bring back weekends to low wage earners (my wife’s entire family works at Walmart or similar places. I see how weekend instability wrecks their ability to enjoy being together). Either close on weekend, or have workers choose a week day they always get off. Mandate 50% overtime for work on weekends.

- Put a 15% tariffs on all goods (no exceptions!). This acts like a sales tax (counter cyclical to the economy. Big plus one) that isn’t as regressive as a sales tax since it encourages local jobs for cheap things and for fancy things the rich pay).

Re: The US government is inviting inflation

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Is there a good prediction market for inflation? Or is that just gold or bitcoin?

Yes: the bond market.

Take a long position in real return (inflation-adjusted) bonds like TIPS, and go short in nominal bonds. You will profit from an increase in inflation / expected inflation.

Based on 10-year bonds, the current breakeven inflation rate (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/T10YIE) is about 2.2%.

Re: The US government is inviting inflation

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I find Steven Van Metre point of view interesting, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFdXR4BZ6Fw.

I'm a software engineer, so not an expert in macroeconomics obviously, but here are some highlights that I think we are missing to consider when we think inflation is coming:

- The USD is the reserve currency of the world, printing money does not only affect the USA but the entire world to some degree.

- Money printing is not just happening in the USD, but rather, the pandemic was a world event and many nations are "printing money".

- The USA Federal Reserve is not, strictly speaking, printing money. It is way more complex than just money printing. From what I understand, is more efficient to "print money" by increasing the money multiplier, meaning, the Fed ask banks to lend more since lending money multiplies the money faster than printing. Therefore, with QE (Quantitative Easing), the Fed buys debt from banks giving them liquidity for them to lend more money into the system. However, given that we are in an economic recession (temporary perhaps but recession nonetheless), banks are not really lending at the rates the Fed wants. In order to fix this, the usual approach is to lower even further the rates, but we are already at near zero so there is not much to do there either; which is what I understand is referred to as a Liquidity Trap.

- A weak dollar (and strong Yuan, etc) is bad for the exports of other countries, so they will be incentivized to devalue their currencies.

Anyways, this is not to say that inflation won't happen, but rather than a simplistic point of view "printer goes brrrr, inflation will happen" is probably not correct.

I personally find it hard to believe that hyper-inflation will happen, but I also recognize that I'm not certain of this.

Re: The US government is inviting inflation

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While I"m sympathetic to his worries, I can't help but wonder if Michael Burry is actually just a one hit wonder. Granted, I'm not even a one hit wonder so he's still one up on me. But still. I'm not sure his conclusions should be taken any more seriously than anyone else.

He bought GME in 2019, and made a couple hundred million during the frenzy. https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/big-short-in...

Is it smart buy if you bought something that then had a thing happen that would be hard to imagine anyone predicting?
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