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Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore

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Re: Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore

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Its the stack. I can't get interested in any crypto currency or related technology that doesn't provide, at a minimum, a linkable C library or .. even better .. a luarocks module .. to do all the work. If I even have to think about using npm or javascript to join the new hipster cult, I'm out. These tools are not up to snuff. C'mon crypto guys, give us systems programmers the libs we need. Javascript is OUT. Your fan…

>Go C/C++ native, or GTFO ... I don't think memory-safety issues are the killer app for Ethereum. The lack of C/C++ is one of the best things about the Ethereum ecosystem.

Memory-safety issues are a thing of the 20th century, if you still have them in this day and age as a C/C++ developer you probably should put the real compiler down, kid ..

Besides which, you're never going to convince me that Javascript/NPM have fewer issues with leaks and holes than a well engineered C/C++ lib would. I mean, come on ..

Re: Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore

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Ethereum was a very respectable proof of concept, but it's time is past. It gave a glimpse of a future that is really incredible for those of us who had time to poke around before fees got out of control. Sadly, Eth 2.0 does not look to be the messiah many seem to be preaching about. Sharding is a very questionable design decision.

My take away from dabbling in Ethereum land is that Ethereans, and crypto folks in general, got their values mixed up. They hold decentralization to the highest standard above all else. But upon close inspection, virtually nothing in the Ethereum ecosystem actually lives up to the standard of decentralization. The kinds of decentralization you see are very superficial and largely seem to be intended to dodge regulation above all else (which I have no problem with, but we need to be honest with ourselves).

After using the tech, you realize that whats really valuable about these systems is open APIs for value exchange, permissionlessness, and censorship resistance. The decentralization is not a value add. It is a hedge against counter-party risk. And that is important, especially as we go head first into an increasingly dystopic looking global financial system. But teasing apart these different aspects gives you a much better idea of what to focus on if you want to build the next generation of blockchain technology.

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Building something useful on something that is primarily used as highly volatile financial speculation instrument always rubbed me the wrong way. The whole crypto scene is just about making quick dough with a technology, that for some reason remains hyped through and wrapped in mysticism. Face it, there is no sexy killer app for the masses. Wait. There is one: Crypto trading to... make quick dough. And the cryptonerd…

>Face it, there is no sexy killer app for the masses.

It's not only the volatility but also the inefficiency which is the price that has to be paid for the decentralization. I really have trouble coming up with an app where the constant fees that have to be paid for actions are justified compared to a centralized solution.

Re: Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore

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Entire industries have been built on top of JavaScript, from rags to the most valuable companies in the world reinvesting back into it. It’s getting mature, too. As someone who 5 years ago refused to learn JavaScript and was firmly in your camp, I don’t really see an “up to snuff” argument to be made anymore. All languages have quirks and JavaScript definitely has them, but it’s not alone in that regard, especially c…

> Entire industries have been built on top of JavaScript, from rags to the most valuable companies in the world reinvesting back into it. It’s getting mature, too. This is a fallacy argument. Because other users it, doens't mean its good.

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Re: Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore

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Asking for Ethereum to be usable by anybody is like asking for machine code to be usable by anyone.

Ethereum should focus on innovation (desperately) whilst other smart people and entrepreneurs should be working layers on top of ethereum so its more accessable to people like us.

Re: Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore

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How about https://www.algorand.com/ The team is promising and also their sdk is quite good.

I like the Algorand team -- first blockchain project where I used an app I wanted to use and only afterwards realised it was using their blockchain.

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Are you familiar with the “DeFi revolution?”

DeFI is yet another set of inflated expectations and bullish sentiment to attract even more investors. In real terms its not doing a lot yet.

For sure, I never said it was actually implemented/feasible. Just that it’s the current vector by which Ethereum is being marketed

Re: Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore

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I think many developers getting sucked into a new exciting technology feel similarly at some point once it gets enough traction. "I know; it's such a hipster statement." might be all there is to it, and that's fine. I had the same phases with web and ML and I'm not ashamed to say I'm a bit of a hipster in that sense. I think your feelings are perfectly valid and you should listen to yourself, but also realize that yo…

Vitalik is always bitching about the greedy community, but that's really not what is killing Ethereum. What is killing Ethereum is its glacial development pace.

It took so many years for Ethereum 2 to be deployed, and even now it's deployed it's a weak shell of what it should have been.

An argument against that could be that it's simply a hard problem to solve, but then the question becomes if they've solved any other easier problems, and it seems to me like they haven't.

This is their page on smart contracts, arguably the only justification for Ethereum's existance:

https://ethereum.org/en/developers/docs/smart-contracts/lang...

It not only still mentions Solidity, a language which is one of the worst mistakes in IT history, it lists it as the first choice in a set of 2 options, of which the latter is only marginally superior to it. This was acceptable in 2017, a year after the realization of how huge a fuckup Solidity is, since a year might be a short time for a language to be developed and matured enough, but it's now 2021, 5 years later!

It makes me feel Ethereum just isn't managed adequately, despite being a multi-billion dollar operation.

Re: Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore

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Building something useful on something that is primarily used as highly volatile financial speculation instrument always rubbed me the wrong way. The whole crypto scene is just about making quick dough with a technology, that for some reason remains hyped through and wrapped in mysticism. Face it, there is no sexy killer app for the masses. Wait. There is one: Crypto trading to... make quick dough. And the cryptonerd…

That "for some reason" is that's obvious abd straight forward to anyone being honest and not trying to push propaganda is that Bitcoin, and other blockchains structures like it, are MLM schemes - and that it's decentralized and on a global scale is why it's been able to pick up so much energy - aligning people and industrial complexes globally to bring it mainstream.

Design a blockchain system where it's agreed upon consensus and use/adoption is voluntary through democratically elected processes (save regulatory capture), and we'll have a good system that's not unnecessarily and unreasonably transferring wealth from later adopters to earlier adopters. You won't be able to make a fortune on it by buying it and pumping it to make its value goes up, nor will you be able to make money selling shovels to desperate or greedy or gullible people once they catch wind of the "gold rush."

The one major benefit of all if this craziness is that the flood of money into blockchains has meant technology development and many more engineers with experience; whether there are engineers who'd work on non-Pyramid/MLM-Ponzi scheme blockchains though, if they're financially incentivized/aligned with Bitcoin et al, that's TBD.

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