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Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by ksec »

woah wrote: post #127
xwolfi wrote: post #108

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I live in Hong Kong and that's exactly how I talk with people abroad totally panicking over the situation here. It's... not THAT bad. Certainly not as bad as portrayed, sometimes, west of the world. Not saying I have any clue about Xinjiang or that the CCP is positive for the country, but I feel uneasy everyone switched from prisoner camps to genocide - it seems to distract away from the actual issue to move into bor…

Didn’t the situation in Hong Kong escalate from people being concerned about the extradition thing to the Chinese government now suspending elections?

Yes and million things build up over the years.

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Post by quantum_magpie »

lookdangerous wrote: post #171
andresp wrote: post #164

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Who cares if it allowed the US to prosper? Freedom of speech is not about economic output but a value system. This utilitarian moral relativism might make sense in China but it is not part of modern Western culture. It was a civilisational conquest and a difficult one to obtain.

Values are useful. I don’t mean economic prosperity, I mean that our value system has largely worked.

What value system? You still have legal slavery!

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Post by vixen99 »

xwolfi wrote: post #111
almost_usual wrote: post #33

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There are comments on HN right now where people are questioning whether freedom of speech is good in the US by US citizens. Why would someone from China think it’s working after the shit show of 2020 and our own citizens not having confidence?

I'll be blunt, I was raised in a european democracy and live in China, I don't think democracy works anymore lol Trump is a big component, but the Brexit or what they do in Hungary, pff it's just disheartening. I don't think China will forever sustain that large a monitoring, it's just inefficient the closer they get from an intellectual super power, but I have 0 respect for the US, or their "freedom of being an idio…

What is it that you don't understand about democracy? A referendum was held in the UK in 2016. It was brought about by a Prime Minister who, along with a huge majority of the establishment including the BBC, thought that the result was a foregone conclusion. For sure, they said - most folk will vote to stay in the EU. But the voters decided otherwise. We voted `leave`. Abiding by that decision shows that democracy doesn't work anymore - and Brexit is an example?

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by ywei3410 »

yange wrote: post #174
_coveredInBees wrote: post #154

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I'm curious, what are your thoughts on first-hand survivor accounts such as these? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55794071 https://www.voanews.com/south-central-asia/china-uses-rape-t... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/12/uighur-xinjian... These are real people. They aren't Western "plants", and it would be a pretty big conspiracy for them to all coordinate and "lie" about the things they detail…

Like a normal person, I'm against any inhumane treatment in any form against innocent people. These personal stories from these victims are most likely true. I feel sad and angry about what happened to them and would like to see changes. You know, even average schools in China looks more like a prison than actual prisons in the west. (Which remind me of this: https://www.schoolprison.com/ ) You will often find 8-12 s…

Your assertion Western journalists haven't visited is false; see a summary here [1].

The whole site is very good - and the independent journalist speaks Chinese and is fairly unbiased (excerpt from site "the US makes a big deal out of the treatment of Muslims in China while underwriting genocide in Yemen"). Especially the analysis on the leaked documents [2].

[1] https://wokeglobaltimes.com/aac16063149c4e37a8e3ee58066c4837...

[2] https://wokeglobaltimes.com/c227d529f6f0469392edbe07980f9f70

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Post by yange »

jo3483754 wrote: post #161
yange wrote: post #139

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I'm Chinese. Many languages and expressions in this thread not only detests me but also represent the very opposite of western critical thinking. I appreciate the western style of logical thinking. You are being taught in schools how to tell the truth and bust lies, to criticize, to doubt, to ask questions no one dares to ask. You are taught definitions of fallacies, the art of debate, the wisdom of introspection. I…

"You cannot trust anything reported out of China" does not need to mean what you are taking it as. It is true you cannot trust anything reported out of China. But that's not the same as saying not to believe anything reported out of China. The former is a fact, you should be skeptical instead of blindly trust a country known for propaganda. The latter is racist, saying nothing China says is true. There are a few peop…

Sometimes you need to look a bit further than logical correctness. Yes the two sentences are logically equivalent:

"You cannot trust anything reported out of China" "Not all things reported out of China can be trusted"

But the language you choose to use has its emotional implication. Ask any Chinese, which of the two sentences is more biased.

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by yange »

ywei3410 wrote: post #195
yange wrote: post #174

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Like a normal person, I'm against any inhumane treatment in any form against innocent people. These personal stories from these victims are most likely true. I feel sad and angry about what happened to them and would like to see changes. You know, even average schools in China looks more like a prison than actual prisons in the west. (Which remind me of this: https://www.schoolprison.com/ ) You will often find 8-12 s…

Your assertion Western journalists haven't visited is false; see a summary here [1]. The whole site is very good - and the independent journalist speaks Chinese and is fairly unbiased (excerpt from site "the US makes a big deal out of the treatment of Muslims in China while underwriting genocide in Yemen"). Especially the analysis on the leaked documents [2]. [1] https://wokeglobaltimes.com/aac16063149c4e37a8e3ee5806…

I didn't say none of them visited. I even mentioned BBC documentary.

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Post by Frypa »

yumraj wrote: post #17
crashdelta wrote: post #15

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The powers that be do not care, because they're Muslims.

Do the Muslim countries care, No!

As a muslim, I can tell you that muslims and even non-muslims care a lot. It's a human thing.

Muslim countries are 99% dictatorships, where the leadership doesn't even care about their own people.

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Post by esja »

arminiusreturns wrote: post #122

"After the end of the second world war, the British view was grim. It was that the balance of power in the pacific had been totally shattered in favor of the United States. One response by London, was to support Mao Tse-tung's communist insurrection, against the pro-American, Kuomintang government of generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek in China. FDR's personal representative in China, general Patrick J. Hurley, saw as a po…

Where does this quote come from?

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Post by ywei3410 »

yange wrote: post #197
ywei3410 wrote: post #195

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Your assertion Western journalists haven't visited is false; see a summary here [1]. The whole site is very good - and the independent journalist speaks Chinese and is fairly unbiased (excerpt from site "the US makes a big deal out of the treatment of Muslims in China while underwriting genocide in Yemen"). Especially the analysis on the leaked documents [2]. [1] https://wokeglobaltimes.com/aac16063149c4e37a8e3ee5806…

I didn't say none of them visited. I even mentioned BBC documentary.

I apologise then; I got the impression that you thought they had not visited because of the following in your post.

> Surely western reporters also understand that very well -- most haven't responded to the invitation because they know they won't be able to dig more dirt on this.

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