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Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by Fogest »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #379
Fogest wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So here I am talking about someone dismissing what someone says by calling them privileged and boom, one of them shows up! What did this contribute to the conversation? Good job you got your jab in calling me privileged in a conversation where I am talking about how stupid of a response that is that people will say.

Racism is a systemic issue, not an individual issue. The simple fact that you react this strongly to being even slightly corrected, shows clearly that you've been on the good end of "different rules for me than for thee" for so long that you can't even see the injustice it causes for those on the bad end. People disagreeing with you online is not an injustice, it's just reality. When you go from being coddled to bein…

You didn't correct me on anything. You called me privileged based on a weird assumption you somehow drew from what I've said.

Regardless of what my current status may be or what you think it may be it's not very relevant. Because that would ignore the rest of my life which you also have zero idea about. You're again making assumption. You don't know if I've had an easy life or a really hard life. You don't know anything but act like you know something about me and are using that to try and belittle me.

Anyway this is clearly going nowhere as all you have done is repeat the same insult twice and provide zero constructive conversation or rebuttals to what I've said. You can throw around buzzwords and the big ol P word (privilege) but until you actually respond to what I said I'm wasting my time here.

Please do not reply to me anymore. I'm not interested in hearing insults anymore. Do keep in mind it violates the rules here.

Do not assume what my life has been life. Do not assume what my privilege is. And do not reply to me anymore. You are incredibly rude and unproductive. You are a perfect example of what I am talking about. You throw around buzzwords, provide zero facts/evidence/research and then throw down an insult.

FYI:calling someone privileged, making assumptions, and being a jerk doesn't fix systematic racism.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by whoooooo123 »

CalChris wrote: post #215
bryan0 wrote: post #183

Agadmator’s channel is truly a gem. He provides excellent analysis of interesting games and includes some great dives into chess history as well. I hope google gives an adequate explanation for this and makes sure it doesn’t happen again (not holding my breath)

It has happened before already. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSjrYWPxsG8 You would think he'd be whitelisted.

> whitelisted

Bzzzt! You have been banned from HN for using racist terminology.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by yellowapple »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #337
yellowapple wrote: post #327

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YouTube doesn't really fit the definition of a natural monopoly, particularly because there's nothing fundamentally stopping other services from popping up. YouTube's status as an effective monopoly doesn't come from some sort of scarcity of the means of production. > The cost to a competitor is in getting a user to switch. Only if we're assuming that users and uploaders will only ever use exactly one service at any…

Then where is the YouTube competitor? The closest seems to be odysee ( https://odysee.com/ ) where you're lucky to break a few hundred views. Suppose YouTube disappeared tomorrow. Where would everyone go? Probably odysee. So why don't they go there now? That's why Youtube is a natural monopoly.

> Then where is the YouTube competitor?

I named multiple said competitors. And they seem to get plenty of traffic themselves.

> So why don't they go there now?

Do people know about odysee? First I've heard of it (to my recollection at least).

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

psyc wrote: post #375
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #369

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Everything is politics, and the fact that so many of us have managed to stay unaware and insulated from that for so long, is one of the clearest indicators of privilege there is.

This is the most standard of social justice talking points. I don’t like it at all. But putting that aside, how would I go about determining whether it’s true? Take all y’all’s word for it? Listen and believe? Read exclusively intersectional literature until it takes over my thought processes? What is the truth value of this stance? If I say viewing everything as political is a motivated choice, you say it could only…

Luckily reality doesn't care whether you like it or not, to put it bluntly :-)

All you really have to do is to listen to people when they describe the struggles they go through, the injustices they face and the roadblocks in their path. It quickly becomes obvious that a lot of people[1] really are in disadvantaged positions, some even from birth, while others see mild corrections to their ingrained behavior and reminders of how privileged they are, as massive infractions on their personal freedoms.

Speaking truth to power by dumping on the over-privileged people of the world is catharsis and a necessary healing step.

[1] In fact the majority of people on Earth.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by deanCommie »

Fogest wrote: post #150
ben509 wrote: post #50

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A lot of language-fixing slacktivism easily becomes a trend because it's highly visible and requires no genuine effort. It's complete bullshit, though. This particular bullshit is awful since it trivializes all this historic pain to some inane game of word association. There's no point arguing, though, just drag your heels until they get bored and go off on some other crusade.

In the last couple years especially I feel like I am walking on eggshells when talking to people. Especially when talking to people I don't know as well. It feels so easy to offend someone these days and I'm getting sick of it. I've been having to unfollow a ton of podcasts recently because no matter how far from being related to politics some podcasts are, they just love to make sure a chunk of the episode is devote…

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Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

Fogest wrote: post #381
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Racism is a systemic issue, not an individual issue. The simple fact that you react this strongly to being even slightly corrected, shows clearly that you've been on the good end of "different rules for me than for thee" for so long that you can't even see the injustice it causes for those on the bad end. People disagreeing with you online is not an injustice, it's just reality. When you go from being coddled to bein…

You didn't correct me on anything. You called me privileged based on a weird assumption you somehow drew from what I've said. Regardless of what my current status may be or what you think it may be it's not very relevant. Because that would ignore the rest of my life which you also have zero idea about. You're again making assumption. You don't know if I've had an easy life or a really hard life. You don't know anyth…

I fully understand that having the metaphorical blinders taken off can be quite upsetting.

However the plain explanation is that a large number of us here on HN have grown up in the most prosperous nations in the history of the world, many of us have had great privileges in the availability of education and no systemic bias against us for any inborn trait. The greatest privilege of all being the ignorance of our own advantages and the politics that permeate every bit of human society.

It is an experience most parents try to grant their children, a shielding from the big bad facts of the world, at least until they can begin to understand it. For a lot of people, that state is able to persist into adulthood, because they can avoid facing the injustices or ignore them because they have not had to face them themselves.

Unfortunately we do have a tendency to dismiss the great sufferings of others by referring to minor injustices caused to us. Introspection and reflection is the key, not self-loathing.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by psyc »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #384
psyc wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the most standard of social justice talking points. I don’t like it at all. But putting that aside, how would I go about determining whether it’s true? Take all y’all’s word for it? Listen and believe? Read exclusively intersectional literature until it takes over my thought processes? What is the truth value of this stance? If I say viewing everything as political is a motivated choice, you say it could only…

Luckily reality doesn't care whether you like it or not, to put it bluntly :-) All you really have to do is to listen to people when they describe the struggles they go through, the injustices they face and the roadblocks in their path. It quickly becomes obvious that a lot of people[1] really are in disadvantaged positions, some even from birth, while others see mild corrections to their ingrained behavior and remin…

If only you knew. Literally all I do in my old age is listen to everybody and try to work out where they’re coming from. I thought long and hard about my rebuttal, and I might have almost had a pretty good one. But instead I’ll just say thanks for giving me occasion to think a lot.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by dagmx »

redisman wrote: post #278
dagmx wrote: post #128

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> Not sure what a thinly resourced piece like this is doing so high up on HN. Honestly, and anecdotally, I think there's been a large influx of people recently on the right wing spectrum and/or the more outrage driven spectrum. I've noticed a considerable shift in the number of outraged comments and right wing view points in the last few months. I believe this ties in to the deplatforming of Parler. I can only surmis…

Maybe the median person just doesn’t hold extremely intricate positions in these issues but they are being forced to choose a position. You really need to break these claims down a lot to get any sensible discussion. All in or all out are not the options.

I think part of the issue is how a lot of people who may not hold intricate views have a hard time separating well formed, nuanced views from their emotional world view stances. I feel like there's an inherent desire in tech, where knowledge is seen as strength, to always speak up even to show understanding via having an opinion. I know I fall prey to it myself too.

So people in the median often either stay out of discussions they don't have a stake in, or they espouse the most easily digestible view. Unfortunately those happen to usually be more reactionary and simplified views, since nuanced views require greater subject onboarding. Either way, it results in a large skew towards reactionary comments on social media sites.

This original submission being a great example, where many comments are about thought policing, without substance.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by Fogest »

deanCommie wrote: post #385
Fogest wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the last couple years especially I feel like I am walking on eggshells when talking to people. Especially when talking to people I don't know as well. It feels so easy to offend someone these days and I'm getting sick of it. I've been having to unfollow a ton of podcasts recently because no matter how far from being related to politics some podcasts are, they just love to make sure a chunk of the episode is devote…

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Unfortunately you did raise some fair points but I'm on HackerNews looking for constructive conversations without sly jabs and insults.

> This is true in most of the world, but the US particularly has an especially racially-charged environment, primarily because due to denial for centuries by people exactly like you to have the conversations about how race plays into society and culture and architecture.

I never denied a racial issue and now you're comparing me to people from centuries ago that committed atrocities on other races.

Flame wars are expressly disallowed on HackerNews and I will be ending this conversation now. I warned you of this rule and asked for a mature conversation. It's unfortunate it couldn't be possible.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by imtringued »

uniqueid wrote: post #311
Filligree wrote: post #288

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Why should people be allowed to watch anything except what's best for them? /s

I don't care if what you watch is good or bad for you . I care if what you watch turns you into a threat to me . Based on the past few years, it looks like maybe 20% of the general population is suggestible enough to endanger the rest of us.

I don't need uniqueid as my dictator.
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