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Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by throwaway210222 »

fileyfood500 wrote: post #83
_-david-_ wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people did not know about the Holocaust until after WW2 started.

FDR/senior government and military officials in the US army knew. They made choices to focus on American interests at multiple points, even as they closed on victory on the European front, they prioritized strategic targets over concentration camps. The USSR ended up being the one to free most of the camps, and conquer most of Germany. Strategic targets are definitely important for protecting soldiers, but really the…

If you want a really damming example more recent than a war our grandparents were children during:

consider that the IDF provided they could get to Entebbe in Uganda at short notice, but failed to muster the moral courage to intervene in Rwanda.

So much for never again.

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by ncann »

totalZero wrote: post #131
refenestrator wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the full pattern. Does anyone think the USA actually cares about central asian muslims? With our record and the records of our allies? Or is this coming from collective anxiety over being eclipsed?

I think the USA (taken as an aggregate of its citizens' views) has a far stronger ethical compass than your comment seems to suggest. So to answer your question, yes to the former question. Maybe yes to the latter question too, but as an "and" not an "or".

There seems to be a disconnect between what the US says and what it does. I certainly believe US people have a strong ethical compass in their world view, at least from the people I interact with and what I read every day. At the same time, with all the things the US does, especially in the middle East, it's hard to take that "moral compass" seriously.

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by underseacables »

yange wrote: post #139
seattle_spring wrote: post #22

I work with a lot of folks from China and they are bending over backwards trying to defend the CCP. Their argument almost always boils down to "I know people who live in Xinjiang and they say it's not that bad." Equivalent to someone using their one black friend as proof that they can't possibly be racist.

I'm Chinese. Many languages and expressions in this thread not only detests me but also represent the very opposite of western critical thinking. I appreciate the western style of logical thinking. You are being taught in schools how to tell the truth and bust lies, to criticize, to doubt, to ask questions no one dares to ask. You are taught definitions of fallacies, the art of debate, the wisdom of introspection. I…

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Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by ncann »

yange wrote: post #139
seattle_spring wrote: post #22

I work with a lot of folks from China and they are bending over backwards trying to defend the CCP. Their argument almost always boils down to "I know people who live in Xinjiang and they say it's not that bad." Equivalent to someone using their one black friend as proof that they can't possibly be racist.

I'm Chinese. Many languages and expressions in this thread not only detests me but also represent the very opposite of western critical thinking. I appreciate the western style of logical thinking. You are being taught in schools how to tell the truth and bust lies, to criticize, to doubt, to ask questions no one dares to ask. You are taught definitions of fallacies, the art of debate, the wisdom of introspection. I…

> But have you ever doubt that why all stories about China are negative

This struck a chord with me. I think most people who read news regularly can agree that nearly 100% of the news about China these days are negative, and never anything positive. We can all wonder why that is.

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by ncann »

underseacables wrote: post #143
yange wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm Chinese. Many languages and expressions in this thread not only detests me but also represent the very opposite of western critical thinking. I appreciate the western style of logical thinking. You are being taught in schools how to tell the truth and bust lies, to criticize, to doubt, to ask questions no one dares to ask. You are taught definitions of fallacies, the art of debate, the wisdom of introspection. I…

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> Honestly, it’s not you, it’s the inhuman thugs that pay you to post that.

Please don't accuse people you disagree with of being a shill or someone paid for making the comment. It's against HN rule.

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by Ansil849 »

The amount of comments in this thread which appear to assume that 'genocide' means exclusively physical harm is concerning.

Just for the record: as per the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide [1], genocide is officially defined as either physical _or_ mental harm.

[1] https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-...

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by [deleted] »

enriquto wrote: post #121
seattle_spring wrote: post #22

I work with a lot of folks from China and they are bending over backwards trying to defend the CCP. Their argument almost always boils down to "I know people who live in Xinjiang and they say it's not that bad." Equivalent to someone using their one black friend as proof that they can't possibly be racist.

> I work with a lot of folks from China and they (...) What you say represents about 50% of Chinese researchers in my lab. Those that immediately return to their country after the PhD and you never hear from them again. The other 50% are the complete opposite: they cannot wait to get their family out of the country and never look back, explaining that the country is ruled by a bunch of crazy psycopaths. Curiously eno…

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