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Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by ericmay »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #228
ericmay wrote: post #162

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Agree completely. I think these numbers look more realistic as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)... Sorry for the "downvotes are the disagree button" that you are experiencing for raising good and interesting discussion points, and frankly calling out misleading numbers that were posted. I didn't know that the average German was worse off and poorer than the average person from Greece…

That reinforces the whole point i'm making. The USA is wealthier per person. The USA is poorer on median wealth. This occurs because the wealth is concentrated in a small number of extremely wealthy people whilst the typical person is poorer. This can be easily fixed to the benefit of the majority with higher taxes on the ultra rich.

Poorer than Australia? Sure whatever. I’m just glad we are way ahead of countries like Germany, Finland, Denmark, Sweden, and the Netherlands. Maybe they should adopt our style of government to improve.

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Post by tharkun__ »

fakedang wrote: post #260
tharkun__ wrote: post #246

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Not entirely correct. With a Beibehaltungsgenehmigung you can also obtain other citizenships than what you mentioned and it doesn't need to be by birth. They do make you answer all sorts of questions though to give you that certificate. Source: we went through it. We also had a similar-ish experience passport wise while the kids had non-German passports only while we only had a German one. We held up the line of cars…

What GP meant was that USA treated the child as a US citizen by descent, in spite of the lack of a passport, which is why immigration mandated that the child should have been issued a US passport before traveling to the US. It's natural for a lot of countries that allow dual citizenship to mandate that you travel to said country with the passport of that place.

I completely understand and the two paragraphs in my comment are two separate things. One comments on the fact that they said you can only have another citizenship by birth if you want to keep the German one (false) and the other one reminded me of another sort of funny passport and different/dual citizenship situation from my life, which is why I said "similar-ish". Emphasis on "ish".

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Post by maximente »

blunte wrote: post #172
tonfa wrote: post #141

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I hope the kids won't mind having to declare/pay US taxes :)

What you get for your US tax money is absolutely not worth having that passport if you have another good passport. I would give that one up (and likely will once I get my second).

like anything in life, there are tradeoffs. the US passport is great because it allows easy employment access to US tech companies, who pay absurd amounts of money; if you live outside the US for at least 330 days, you aren't taxed federally on the first $105K or so. this allows one to, for example, work 20-30 hrs/week while paying zero federal income taxes to take home around $105K. compare that to NYC: you'd need about $160K to take home $105K (!!), plus your post tax costs aro going to be high as hell - rent, restaurants, and so forth. worse, you're probably pulling 45ish hrs a week for that. i imagine SF is similar or worse.

such a setup allows one to build wealth and live an extraordinary life. i'd highly recommend it if you can swing it.

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Post by Causality1 »

Animats wrote: post #13
Causality1 wrote: post #2

Multiple-citizenship has always been fascinating to me. For example, most countries oaths of citizenship are worded in such a way that preclude loyalty split between them and another, yet they don't prevent or punish their citizens for holding dual citizenship.

Yes. The US used to be quite strict about this. It still is if you acquire US citizenship by naturalization. "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen " The deal for people who are already US citizens is easier.

I'm curious about what goes through the minds of people who take that oath while retaining another citizenship. To them is it just meaningless words they have to say to get a check mark on paperwork? Do they regard any oath or agreement that isn't enforced by legal consequences as something they can ignore? Do they think of it as unfair and hence not worth feeling bad about?

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Post by pii »

Dma54rhs wrote: post #267
dontbesilly wrote: post #263

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> or left cancel culture This doesn't really exist, it's a right-wing myth used to fuel all sorts of "conservatives are under attack" type nonsense. Weaponized victim complex bullshit.

Just like white/male privilege in America that is made up by people who like to blame others for their failures in life. Tons of victim complex in America.

It does exist, it's just not the shape most people think it is.

Older generations had different demographics, and white men are still in power from those generations... in no small part because they were the ones who were in the majority.

There remains a bit of blindness to the problems of non-white non-male persons among the 'ruling elites'... But these same cohort of leaders were pursuing a program of diversity, inclusion, and meritocracy over the last several decades.

To say white/male as default isn't a problem isn't exactly true (see, for example, how medical research has historically been conducted mostly on young white male volunteers), but to say that it isn't changing is also not exactly true -- demographics are changing in the US and the composition of institutions of power is also changing.

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Post by Scoundreller »

disabled wrote: post #237
Scoundreller wrote: post #177

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My guess is that OP’s issue is that only one parent was Croatian so citizenship wasn’t automatic but something to apply for. Other than gathering all the paperwork, any idea what it’s like if both parents are Croatian? I understand citizenship is automatic not something that needs to be applied for?

It depends on which /Article/ OP is eligible for citizenship under, under Croatian citizenship law. The law has also been updated by our parliament in the past year. I do not want to make any assumptions about OP's situation. When applying for Croatian citizenship, it is important to explicitly state in your "biography" (Životopis) which Article you are applying under, basically as your first statement. Many people i…

Thanks for the post!

I should be eligible under S. 4 where it makes it sound like I'm already a citizen. But yeah, I got the feeling proving it would still be a slow and painful process where it could take a while to gather it all. And I'd only have to deal with 2 parents' records (I think?). They'll be listed as hrvati, but finding originals of the birth certs is a question.

But kinda worried about a parent trying to make an EU trip if ETIAS ever goes live, and being unable to because they don't have an EU passport to travel on. So a lot of paperwork might get sorted out for me anyway.

Just haven't bothered to follow through with it unless I saw myself needing it. And it's increasingly likely I'll be eligible for another EU passport in the near future anyway.

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Post by cko »

vecinu wrote: post #253
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #140

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>I think being a worker and having to have a job in RO would be soul crushing, from what I hear from friends and family. Overall, for most of the population, yes. However, if you're a tech worker, no, as that puts you in the top %10 of earners. In many ways, Romania is like the US, high inequality, low taxes, and poor quality social services, unless you have a corporate job, then you can live like a King as the huge…

> In many ways, Romania is like the US This made me chuckle, I often compare California to Romania (since I know both places well) and can contrast the corruption, money waste, terrible infrastructure and inequality in a way that friends / family that moved from Romania can't agree with. They always paint Romania as a third world *hole that's incomparable to the US/Canada or other "civilized" countries. I follow the…

Based on my experience of New Jersey vs Romania, healthcare and consumerism options are the major differences.

For healthcare I'd just plan to go to Poland for serious care. As for consumerism, you can't beat the US for Amazon Prime, craigslist, or ebay (my personal favorite).

The only thing that's cheaper here in Cluj is housing. Food is slightly cheaper depending on category, but many things are more expensive. Including gym memberships.

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Post by 1996 »

dualthro wrote: post #249
1996 wrote: post #190

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> Spain does not recognize it unless you're Puerto Rican. So if you parents aren't from PR, or if you do not speak spanish or what? > Source: I tried it and went through the process. I'm from mainland US, lived in PR and now live in Spain. Tell me more about it! I'm thinking about moving to PR if there are more Covid restriction due to the new administration (curfew like in Europe) I'm also considering Spain.

Not trying to attack you, but I'm curious why you want to move to Spain when in this comment you say you really prefer the US way of operating surrounding the pandemic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26215169

Just in case the new administration adds restrictions that make it worse (ex: curfew), I'm considering alternatives.

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Post by tim333 »

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #262
tim333 wrote: post #257

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The UK has a tax treaty with the US but it didn't stop one Boris Johnson being hit with many thousands in US taxes when he sold his house in spite of having lived in the UK most of his life.

Was his house in the US or UK? If it was in the US the it doesn't matter, the local government is gonna get theirs.

In the UK. The UK has no cgt on your main residence when you sell but the US does.
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