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Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by wrycoder »

ThomW wrote: post #9

Parler is a shit hole, and at this point I’m not sure we need another social network anything. The major ones do a lousy job of policing fake news and misinformation, and from your tone it sounds like you support that garbage. I’m pretty sure giving every moron on earth a globally-accessible soapbox is about the stupidest idea humankind has ever had.

After blocking a few obvious idiots, my main take on Parler is that it’s really boring.

There are a few “thought leaders” (without much diversity), each followed by a tedious and repetitive peanut gallery.

I’m getting far more from reading on Substack.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

ojnabieoot wrote: post #30

You can pretend to care about North Korean censorship all you want, but if you name your platform “Pepe,” positively cite 4chan as an influence, and take the time to criticize “cancel culture SJWs” then it’s quite clear what your intentions and motivations are, and who your audience is: you want to create a space run by and for racist pieces of garbage. You don’t actually care about free speech at all, and neither do…

"Frustrated with Parler deplatforming" was kind of a giveaway.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by tanseydavid »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #14
chrissnell wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should tolerate all speech. That doesn't mean you can't scream and call it hate speech, but do so from your own platform.

What about libel/slander? What about child pornography? What about doxxing? Surely you agree we have to draw the line _somewhere_, even if you disagree with where we currently draw it?

Has anyone, anywhere, ever suggested that child pornography is 'speech' let alone 'free speech'?

It seems bizarre to include in this list.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by threeseed »

Everyone says this.

Until they have to deal with the realities of what true free speech means: child pornography, child exploitation, rape, ultra violence, terrorism, organised crime, drug dealing, doxxing innocent people etc.

My Reddit account is 13 years old so I've seen personally seen communities of all of the above grow and flourish and the true levels of depravity that humans can reach. Ultimately it got to the point where Reddit simply couldn't take it.

But hey good luck. I do love the fact that you're using Github to host this.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by quelsolaar »

gchamonlive wrote: post #4

In a tolerant society, should we tolerate intolerance? I am genuinely interested to hear your thoughts.

When I grew up, outside the liquor store there used to be some drunks debating wild conspiracy theories about who killed Olof Plame. Nobody cared. Nobody felt the need to silence their obvious falsehoods. Everyone could see that they where not the brightest minds, and not worth engaging with.

Today its hard to distinguish these people from scientists at the top of their fields. Maybe the issue isn't that we need to scilence people but rather we need different tools to distinguish who's worth listening to.

Censorship fails because its an impossible judgement to make and its impossible to find a fair judge. Modern social networks amplify the outrageous, not the thoughtful. The needs for clicks has ruined discourse more then freedom of speech. I think there is a lot of work that could be done to build systems that encourage dialog and promote thoughtfulness online that isn't done today because everyone focuses on banning.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by ethbr0 »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #14
chrissnell wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should tolerate all speech. That doesn't mean you can't scream and call it hate speech, but do so from your own platform.

What about libel/slander? What about child pornography? What about doxxing? Surely you agree we have to draw the line _somewhere_, even if you disagree with where we currently draw it?

A key line in most societies seems "imminent or attributable harm."

As in "we (as a tolerant society) can tolerate free speech up and to the point that someone else is harmed."

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by zamadatix »

How does it plan on dealing with spam/bots? In a system where nobody has a verified identity, nothing can be removed without destroying most of the system, and consensus decides what's visible the real users seem to be at quite the disadvantage.

Spam/bots are a common, tough, problem for existing imageboards that can exert central control. I don't think light/dark comes close to solving this type of issue, it assumes the majority of interactions are benevolent.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by tovej »

barbacoa wrote: post #31
tovej wrote: post #6

"You see, freedom of speech and expression must be absolute." That's pretty extreme. First, freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence of speech. And second, freedom of speech only applies to public forums. Why would a private enterprise need to put up with someone spreading vitriol and fake news? Let's say I own a mall, and you rent a store in that mall. You suddenly decide that you are going to start selling…

People do have free speech rights at private owned malls. Not sure if that would apply to stores but courts have ruled it does apply to people at malls (and other public areas that are privately owned). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruneyard_Shopping_Center_v....

Sure, but in the analogy, the person "speaking freely" wasn't a member of the public but someone renting a store.
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