In a tolerant society, should we tolerate intolerance? I am genuinely interested to hear your thoughts.
Karl Popper explored this idea extensively.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
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#22> You see, freedom of speech and expression must be absolute.
No, that is not true. It was never true. Nothing is absolute. But maybe you are OK if I publicly put a bounty on your life.
The Pepe stuff just reeks like this is going to become yet another toxic cesspool of undesirable content if not outright illegal smut.
We don’t need another platform where people can be openly racist. Where people can say hideous things and call for hatred and violence.
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#23> There is a huge misunderstanding, Pepe the Frog has always been a symbol of resistance in underground culture, it was journalists who decided it was evil without understanding a damn thing. It’s not a symbol of resistance. It’s a glum-looking frog. That’s it. Also this forum doesn’t seem to allow for identifying oneself which precludes it from competing with Parler/Twitter. At best, it can compete with 4ch/8kun but…
First time hearing Pepe as a symbol of resistance. Saw it first as "Feels good man" before it turned into edgy alt-right symbol.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
We should tolerate all speech. That doesn't mean you can't scream and call it hate speech, but do so from your own platform.
What about libel/slander? What about child pornography? What about doxxing? Surely you agree we have to draw the line _somewhere_, even if you disagree with where we currently draw it?
Sure, draw it along established legal lines, but stay away from silencing things that you simply disagree with.
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#25In a tolerant society, should we tolerate intolerance? I am genuinely interested to hear your thoughts.
To make an analogy to the non-digital world I think it's apt: I don't think it should be tolerated in the public forum (e.g. overt racism espoused or advertised in cities or on national television). We also have laws against discrimination applying to private businesses, which I think is a decent balance.
I don't think it's desirable to prohibit individuals from gathering in private and exchanging intolerant thought, though. Something like this falls under that IMO.
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#26"You see, freedom of speech and expression must be absolute." This is a very ignorant take on freedom of speech and a terrible foundation for your project.
I would not call it ignorant. It is extreme, yes, but not ignorant. Unfortunately, you cannot have censorship-resistance with exceptions. Even if you have the greatest moderation team, it will all break apart sooner or later.
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#27In a tolerant society, should we tolerate intolerance? I am genuinely interested to hear your thoughts.
We should tolerate all speech. That doesn't mean you can't scream and call it hate speech, but do so from your own platform.
So I can't call something hate speech on your free speech platform?
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#28Parler is a shit hole, and at this point I’m not sure we need another social network anything. The major ones do a lousy job of policing fake news and misinformation, and from your tone it sounds like you support that garbage. I’m pretty sure giving every moron on earth a globally-accessible soapbox is about the stupidest idea humankind has ever had.
These exact same things were said about the printing-press when it was the epitome of new, high-technology.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
What about libel/slander? What about child pornography? What about doxxing? Surely you agree we have to draw the line _somewhere_, even if you disagree with where we currently draw it?
Sure, draw it along established legal lines, but stay away from silencing things that you simply disagree with.
You’ve just significantly backpedaled from your comment right above...?
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#30You can pretend to care about North Korean censorship all you want, but if you name your platform “Pepe,” positively cite 4chan as an influence, and take the time to criticize “cancel culture SJWs” then it’s quite clear what your intentions and motivations are, and who your audience is: you want to create a space run by and for racist pieces of garbage. You don’t actually care about free speech at all, and neither does anyone who is pretending that this platform will provide a public good.