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Nvidia Limits RTX 3060 Hash Rate

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That's not exactly the same because vehicles are essential for everyday life (commuting), whereas GPUs aren't.

GPUs are essential for a few jobs that are essential to our society. They're not just for games.

We must have different definitions of "essential". I'm curious which jobs you're referring to, because to my understanding, every aspect of society that I consider essential, has existed since before the advent of GPUs.

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Btc mining only works on asics. You can mine ethereum on gpu’s. NiceHash rents your hash rate to buyers, you mine ethereum, while they pay your rewards in btc. If you want ethereum directly, you can mine for a pool like ethermine or flexpool.

The link directly contradicts this. Pooled mining with BTC (ETH too, but also BTC) on a GPU is something you can do and make a modest amount of money right now, to the tune of around $5/day at current prices. There's a profitability floor on hashes/KWh. When coin's price goes as sky-high as it has been, it pushed GPU mining back into the black. This is likely a temporary state of affairs; either the network difficult…

The link shows paying in btc because they don’t give you what you mine. You rent your hash rate and people bid on it with btc. You’re not mining btc directly. I use NiceHash at the moment. Your gpu mines ethereum (or whatever the most profitable coin is as NiceHash has a profit switcher.)

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I wonder if open source drivers will eventually circumvent this limit?

I was curious if the mining algorithms could be tweaked to avoid detection.

Unless they decide to add more algorithms after the fact, I'd be very surprised and outraged if this detected anything other than Dagger-Hashimoto via its memory access pattern.

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I checked your numbers against [0]. Road distance NY -> SF = 2900 miles [1]. Model S mileage is 290Wh/mi [2]. That is 840kW for Tesla against 657kW for a single transaction. This is all order-of-magnitude stuff but... wow. [0] https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption/ [1] https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=road%20distance%20san%... [2] https://www.zeviecars.com/browse-cars/tesla-model-s

Can someone explain how transactions are not insanely cost prohibitive for Bitcoin with power consumption figures like those? Those numbers would suggest something like >20 USD. Is it because most transactions in practice actually happen internally on exchanges that avoid putting every individual transaction on the blockchain? I have limited knowledge of Bitcoin so maybe not quite "explain like I'm five"... but close…

The whole point of Bitcoin mining is to produce a block, which contains a bunch of transactions. The Bitcoin network dictates that each block's SHA256 hash starts with a certain number of zeroes, so the only way to achieve this is to brute force the block data until you find the "winning" block which hashes to a number of zeroes.

Once someone finds a winning block, they're rewarded with a number of Bitcoin. This subsidies the cost that goes into mining that block. However the reward halves after every 210k blocks, so as the reward goes down, miners will prefer to only include transactions with high fee. Eventually the true cost of mining will reflect in the transaction fee.

And to add to the "it costs 657.6kWh to process a transaction": energy is used to produce a block, which contains an arbitrarily defined number of transactions. Right now, Bitcoin Core limits each block to 1MB, which works out to about 2k transactions per block. If Bitcoin Core were to increase the limit to say 10MB, the energy used to produce a block doesn't change, but the energy used to process a transaction goes down tenfold.

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GPU mining is going to become much less attractive this year due to Ethereum moving to Proof of Stake, right? If this is the case (perhaps an expert can chime in) - it makes sense to limit the hash rate now, to prevent these cards being dumped later this year? And to redirect miners towards higher-margin products in the meantime, whilst ensuring better supply for gamers (who are the actual long-term customers).

The ETH2 'beacon chain' is a meta-chain that's supposed to checkpoint a bunch of 'sub chains' for scalability. But they have launched it with many big questions unanswered. What does a 'sub chain' actually look like to interact with? How do you coordinate with many of them? All these questions have answers in theory, but not answers in solid production ready interoperable code. Furthermore some of these problems like…

Avalanche seems to have sorted it out. It's been working on a PoS network without any significant issues so far.

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Gamers will generally try to avoid buying preowned graphics cards that have been used for mining. Running them 24/7 at full pelt tends to “age” they quicker than one that’s just been used for gaming.

That is not quite true. Miners that know what they're doing will undervolt their cards in order to improve power efficiency, which makes cards run cooler and at lower power.

Also, machines used for mining can be put in cooler places and with better cooling than an average home with a gamer PC.

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Because cryptocurrency mining is now one of the biggest contributors to climate change. It is killing the planet. It is a moral imperiative to shut it down by any means necessary.

How did you reach this conclusion? Do you have some sources and numbers? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-energy-substitutio... puts the latest number at 173,340 TWh in 2019. This is an underestimate for the current value as energy consumption has been increasing. https://cbeci.org/ estimates the annualised consumption based on a 7 day moving average of 120.87 TWh for bitcoin. To be generous let's assume all…

https://cbeci.org/cbeci/comparisons

Right here it says `20 863 TWh` which is nearly 10 times your worst case.

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I have no sympathy for miners, but purely from software freedom perspective this is maximally evil: closed-source software that decides what you can use your hardware for. The CMP version is a straight-to-landfill product. As soon as it stops being profitable for mining it will have zero resale value, and become e-waste.

> The CMP version is a straight-to-landfill product. As soon as it stops being profitable for mining it will have zero resale value, and become e-waste. Like literally every other piece of Bitcoin or crypto mining technology. It’s straight to the landfill every 6 months. Bitcoin generates 100 GRAMS of ewaste for every transaction. Every 2 transactions consumes as much energy as driving a Tesla from SF to NY [edit for…

I am sick and tired of this bullshit logic, about how much energy per transaction Bitcoin uses. Bitcoin's blocksize is being forcibly kept low. It can easily be increased 100 MB, if not more, without causing any serious issues. That will increase the number of transactions per second to a thousand. Plus, comparing a Bitcoin transaction to a traditional transaction is like comparing apples and oranges. A Bitcoin transaction is completely different as it is irreversible. That energy consumption is the price we pay to make sure our transactions remain irreversible.

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> The CMP version is a straight-to-landfill product. As soon as it stops being profitable for mining it will have zero resale value, and become e-waste. Like literally every other piece of Bitcoin or crypto mining technology. It’s straight to the landfill every 6 months. Bitcoin generates 100 GRAMS of ewaste for every transaction. Every 2 transactions consumes as much energy as driving a Tesla from SF to NY [edit for…

No. It's time to push back on Bitcoin. It is disgraceful to watch people such as Elon Musk and most of the VCs put money ahead of the environment.

I am sorry you did not buy it when it was cheaper. No need to hate it now because you were stupid back then.

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Btc mining only works on asics. You can mine ethereum on gpu’s. NiceHash rents your hash rate to buyers, you mine ethereum, while they pay your rewards in btc. If you want ethereum directly, you can mine for a pool like ethermine or flexpool.

>Btc mining only works on asics. No, you can mine Bitcoin on your GPU or CPU. It will work.

Yes it will work. But it will be so slow that you won't ever do anything useful with it, so in practice it doesn't work.

Go mine Ethereum or Monero instead.

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