OpenBSD boots multi-user on Apple M1 hardware

Post by asveikau » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 6:11 PM UTC

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I think M1 is a perfect example of why one might want to consider Apple's hardware and software in isolation, rather than a single integrated piece. There isn't currently another ARM laptop with the same performance characteristics. There have been other times when I thought apple hardware was more interesting than macOS. I don't think macOS is bad per se. There are times when I find it pleasant and times when I woul…

I get it. It's a matter of perspective. As a Linux/ OpenBSD user, Mac hardware is suddenly a bit more appealing. As a Mac user, the reverse it not true. OpenBSD or Linux are no more appealing than it was before the switch. As for the rest of your post, I feel like the conversation is moving here under me. Use whatever OS you want. I don't see a ton of Mac people on here discouraging or disparaging any of this. I do s…

Post by zepto » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 6:25 PM UTC

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By that definition, the OEM versions of Windows would be walled gardens too.

In principle, yes. But at least you can switch to a differently licensed version of the OS if this is your concern.

Post by zepto » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 6:27 PM UTC

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Not you. Just frustrated by the seeming religious fervor some Apple-haters have. Seems like sometimes people are willing to go through great contortions to figure out how whatever Apple did is wrong. Totally understand why people might prefer Linux/ Windows/ Amiga/ whatever. People should just enjoy what they want.

> Just frustrated by the seeming religious fervor some Apple-haters have. It goes both ways. I'd add that atleast the "Apple-haters" have more of a standing in defending open computing standards and demanding Apple be open too.

Post by mhh__ » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 7:51 PM UTC

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My point was that the phone has supplanted the computer as the sole device for many people i.e. people of my generation will often ask for an app rather than a website

That is a fair point. I just found it important to point out that for many use-cases, including most of the ones in this discussion, phones are a complete nonstarter. I do apologize for how aggressively I came across as well, that was uncalled for.

Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 8:15 PM UTC

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Nah, I want to choose the kernel. This statement is a bit presumptuous: "It's almost guaranteed you will never fully get Wi-Fi, audio, graphics acceleration, the trackpad, etc. working flawlessly." Maybe I do not want all those things every time I boot. Apple used an "alternative OS" for their Airport routers: NetBSD. Kernel was around 6.x if I recall correctly. Seemed like Wi-Fi worked preety good, maybe even "flawl…

>This statement is a bit presumptuous It's not. Anyone who has followed the last 10 years of Apple devices knows what works and what doesn't.