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Nvidia Limits RTX 3060 Hash Rate

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Re: Nvidia Limits RTX 3060 Hash Rate

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Post by jbay808 »

RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #210
m3kw9 wrote: post #101

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Imagine the PlayStation was able to be used to mine crypto. Game developers depend on gamers to actually play their games, what would you have Sony do? Encourage it or do nothing? Pretty sure their obligations to any shareholders would be to limit it so more gamers can play and buy games for it.

One alternative could be for Sony to launch a new line of PS that is optimised for crypto mining but way less cost-effective for gaming.

They'd be competing for the same production resources.

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Post by marcooliv »

gruez wrote: post #219
thgaway17 wrote: post #212

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Yeah it would suck, but if Ford F150s were selling for $100,000 because drag racers were buying them up, I don’t think I’d mind.

That's not exactly the same because vehicles are essential for everyday life (commuting), whereas GPUs aren't.

well, it's fundamental for my business, GPU overpriced can affect people's life.

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Post by kortex »

DoctorNick wrote: post #70
qqii wrote: post #47

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How so? Take this excerpt from the article: > Nvidia does state that these GPUs "don't meet the specifications required of a GeForce GPU and, thus, don't impact the availability of GeForce GPUs to gamers." Frankly, that doesn't mean much. What does Nvidia do with a GPU that normally can't be sold as an RTX 3090? They bin it as a 3080, and GA102 chips that can't meet the 3080 requirements can end up in a future 3070 (…

Because cryptocurrency mining is now one of the biggest contributors to climate change. It is killing the planet. It is a moral imperiative to shut it down by any means necessary.

It's 121 TWh/y, world total is on the order of 160,000 TWh/y (primary energy supply), so crypto is less than 1 part per thousand.

It's huge for pushing numbers around, but hardly "one of the biggest contributions".

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56012952

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_consumption

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Post by rualca »

Toutouxc wrote: post #188
rualca wrote: post #106

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> Can electronics actually wear out? It depends what you mean by "wear out". Hardware does fail with time. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisker_(metallurgy) * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermo-mechanical_fatigue

The second article mentions thermal cycling -- I always thought that running 24/7 is actually less damaging then cycling (i.e. a gaming rig or a MacBook that does 30->90->30 °C multiple times a day.)

For the wear and tear of thermal cycling to pile up, it's not required to have reboots or shutdowns. All it takes is to have temperature fluctuations that in turn developt stress fluctuations, which induce fatigue wear on materials. Low amplitude cycles are better and less damaging than high amplitude cycles, but the damage is still there building up.

To put things in perspective, not so long ago it was believed that below a certain stress delta some materials were immune to fatigue and practically eternal. However it was soon apparent that that belief was not factual, and a phenomenon labelled very high cycle fatigue started to become a research topic. This type of fatigue is characterized by cracks being induced even at very low stress levels due to defects such as impurities and even crystal size in metal matrices.

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Post by wccrawford »

soulofmischief wrote: post #187
kbumsik wrote: post #116

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Not at all. 3060 is a new card and not released yet.

Oh. Ok. Ignore me. NVIDIA has me a bit sensitive because this is not the first time.

It's a little weird because they released the 3060 TI before the regular 3060, so when they say they're launching the 3060... It's just confusing. I feel like they should have given it its own identifier to help with that confusion, or launched them in the normal order. Base model, then the upgraded one.

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Post by nottorp »

gnaman wrote: post #105
nottorp wrote: post #95

Does that mean they're bringing down the xx60 card price too? Rabid gamers who MUST have that 1440Hz refresh may be willing to pay anything for their space heaters, but there are people who play games but aren't willing to spend 1K (or 3K, how far have they gone these days?) on a video card. In other words, is this done to increase sales volume or just nvidia's profit?

The article clearly states that the hash rate will be limited if Ethereum mining algorithm is detected by the driver, not otherwise. Gaming use cases will remain the same

And will that make cards cheaper? I'm not asking about the technical details, just about what they want me to pay...

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Post by salawat »

pmiller2 wrote: post #38
josalhor wrote: post #21

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> Does anybody else think that the "mining is bad for the environment and gamers can't buy the cards" argument is a bit weird? After all, if all these cards weren't used for mining but for gaming, wouldn't the environmental outcome be the same? I never had that specific opinion, but I have another point of view. Games bring inherent value to the table. That is, if you didn't play games you would be reading a book, go…

> I don't see tangible value in crypto. Crypto is worth what other people are willing to pay for it. If you wanted to invest in an asset that does not depend on the currency you could buy gold. Try convincing any crypto "enthusiast" of that, though. Literally none of them have ever been able to explain to me why cryptocurrencies should have value, but that doesn't stop them from proclaiming it the best thing since sl…

That's because the value and effectivenesd of cryptocurrencies as an un or poorly regulated store-of-value is dependent on their not being any doubt as to their value.

As with most things in finance, it's all trust at the bottom of it. If there is any doubt, no one will be around to be left with the bag.

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Post by friedman23 »

bretpiatt wrote: post #190
m3kw9 wrote: post #101

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Imagine the PlayStation was able to be used to mine crypto. Game developers depend on gamers to actually play their games, what would you have Sony do? Encourage it or do nothing? Pretty sure their obligations to any shareholders would be to limit it so more gamers can play and buy games for it.

"Running on more than 1,700 PS3s that were connected by five miles of wire, the Condor Cluster was huge, dwarfing Khanna’s project, and it used to process images from surveillance drones. During its heyday, it was the 35th fastest supercomputer in the world."* Back at PS2/PS3 they were used for computing, Sony actually released a kit and had paid staff helping people who wanted to build PS2 supercomputers -- a good f…

Sony disabled this functionality later on

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherOS

Re: Nvidia Limits RTX 3060 Hash Rate

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Post by lmilcin »

I am happy with this kind of heavy handed move for once if this is intended to reduce demand for graphics products for their other uses and make them available for people who intend to use them for work and gaming.

Maybe I will finally be able to afford top of the line GPU.

I mean, bitcoin miners can still pay high prices if they want but finally there will be GPU that will not be encumbered by mining craze.

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