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Not usable without display ports.
You can still render without a display port and use the output image to for example stream it to another display.
You need another GPU for that. Not really practical.
Nvidia Limits RTX 3060 Hash Rate
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You can’t tell from an eBay listing that a given card was undervolt or overclocked. On average it’s far more risky than buying a gamers card which, so their best avoided. Also, undervolting isn’t always the correct choice it depends on how valuable the coin being minded is relative to energy costs. Someone mining in their dorm room for example may not be paying based on electricity useage.
Citation needed? My understanding was that gaming cards are pushed far harder, at higher temps, with fluctuating power and thermals, which causes more issues than a single stable power limit and temperature
Mining cards are run near always, while gaming cards are usually pushed only a small number of hours per day.
I have no data to back this up but anecdotally this makes a huge difference in wear.
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I think it’s done through firmware.
Here's a source: > According to Bryan Del Rizzo, director of global PR for GeForce, more things are working behind the driver. > According to Mr. Del Rizzo: "It's not just a driver thing. There is a secure handshake between the driver, the RTX 3060 silicon, and the BIOS (firmware) that prevents removal of the hash rate limiter." https://www.techpowerup.com/278712/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-a...
They must be using an eFUSE to differentiate between a gamer and miner GPU , would not make sense to have differing SKU's.
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Can electronics actually wear out?
Yes. It’s estimated that modern electronics have a lifespan of about 5 years. And they don’t always fail in obvious (or obviously bad) fashion. Here’s a fun report from NASA that I love to cite (it is also the citation for my lifespan claim). https://c3.nasa.gov/dashlink/static/media/other/ObservedFail...
In case someone goes looking for the source for that citation, it's on slide/page 37. It further cites another web page which no longer exists but is available at the Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20150906010133/http://www.aerosp...
Both pages are focused on aerospace engineering (and perhaps fault-tolerant systems in general), so I'm not sure how I'd rate them as authoritative sources for the lifespan of electronics in general. Possible faults in a gaming GPU might not be as critical if they cause something to fail once a year, for example.
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Imagine the PlayStation was able to be used to mine crypto. Game developers depend on gamers to actually play their games, what would you have Sony do? Encourage it or do nothing? Pretty sure their obligations to any shareholders would be to limit it so more gamers can play and buy games for it.
They are obligated to shareholders. But i am not a shareholder. I am a gamer who wants to buy a new graphics card. So i am going to scream, boycot and lobby government against them until the needs of thier shareholders bend a little closer to those of thier consumers. Free speech is a necessary part of a free market. Maybe nvidia should be held responsible for thier products. Anyone else up to support a law imposing…
Why is Free Speech necessary to a Free Market? I thought a consumer choosing to spend their dollars was the "speech" in a Free Market environment. And when you lobby the government, you've kind of thrown out the Free Market paradigm.
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Good point re landfill - haven't seen anyone else raise that
So people are going to build entire data centers to look for combination of bytes that yield a hash that is funny looking. And when it doesn't become profitable to do so anymore, the e-waste issue it generates is somehow the fault on the chip maker ?
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They are obligated to shareholders. But i am not a shareholder. I am a gamer who wants to buy a new graphics card. So i am going to scream, boycot and lobby government against them until the needs of thier shareholders bend a little closer to those of thier consumers. Free speech is a necessary part of a free market. Maybe nvidia should be held responsible for thier products. Anyone else up to support a law imposing…
Why is Free Speech necessary to a Free Market? I thought a consumer choosing to spend their dollars was the "speech" in a Free Market environment. And when you lobby the government, you've kind of thrown out the Free Market paradigm.
>"And when you lobby the government, you've kind of thrown out the Free Market paradigm"
"Lobby the government" that's what bigger corps do to the point of buying some. So it is only fair game.
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They are obligated to shareholders. But i am not a shareholder. I am a gamer who wants to buy a new graphics card. So i am going to scream, boycot and lobby government against them until the needs of thier shareholders bend a little closer to those of thier consumers. Free speech is a necessary part of a free market. Maybe nvidia should be held responsible for thier products. Anyone else up to support a law imposing…
Why is Free Speech necessary to a Free Market? I thought a consumer choosing to spend their dollars was the "speech" in a Free Market environment. And when you lobby the government, you've kind of thrown out the Free Market paradigm.
Free speech is also product review, such as LTTs recent video on this subject.
Regulation of a market by government doesn't mean abandoning free markets. Regulation is an essential part of sustaining a free market. Totally non-regulated markets quickly devolve into monopoly and other anti-consumer evils such as devices, like this, designed to kill secondary markets.
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#169I have no sympathy for miners, but purely from software freedom perspective this is maximally evil: closed-source software that decides what you can use your hardware for. The CMP version is a straight-to-landfill product. As soon as it stops being profitable for mining it will have zero resale value, and become e-waste.
Yeah, imagine if this applied to trucks. No one could use one for non truck bed usage. Ford disables ignition if it detects the bed is empty after X concurrent uses or miles.
Trucks generally are often wasted (from a green perspective) because people like them not for their intended design utility.
Same for single passenger SUV usage etc...
(I drive an SUV - not trolling those that do)
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Citation needed? My understanding was that gaming cards are pushed far harder, at higher temps, with fluctuating power and thermals, which causes more issues than a single stable power limit and temperature
Mining cards are run near always, while gaming cards are usually pushed only a small number of hours per day. I have no data to back this up but anecdotally this makes a huge difference in wear.
GPUs are not mechanical parts (well save for the fans but those can be replaced).
I would imagine thermal stress from heating and cooling would be the biggest issue - you don't get that under constant load.