OpenBSD boots multi-user on Apple M1 hardware

Post by webmobdev » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 12:13 PM UTC

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I'm not sure I understand what Apple contributed here. It's not supported, helped, or encouraged by Apple. And Apple does not document their H/W in ways that allow reuse. Hence these are all reverse engineering projects. Apple _is_ a walled garden ecosystem. That has many obvious advantages, things just work, etc. Personally I happen to not like it, but it's a choice folks have to make by themselves. I buy my H/W fro…

I guess we could fairly call it a undocumented or obscure garden? But there's no real designed wall there. Apple aren't preventing anything, they're just not helping us out either. Agree it would be nice for them to help out a little, but it's really not the same thing.

Post by webmobdev » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 12:22 PM UTC

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> No need to invent whole new things or shift definitions just so you can complain about them. Since I agree with you, I assume this is aimed at the comment I’m responding to it, and those like it, rather than me.

Not you. Just frustrated by the seeming religious fervor some Apple-haters have. Seems like sometimes people are willing to go through great contortions to figure out how whatever Apple did is wrong. Totally understand why people might prefer Linux/ Windows/ Amiga/ whatever. People should just enjoy what they want.

Post by webmobdev » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 12:30 PM UTC

mjg59 wrote: post #114

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> Now I’m gonna see if there’s an option to throw money at this. Even if I were God I wouldn't stop anyone doing it, but does it not leave a bad taste in your mouth that Apple charge the best part of 2 thousand dollars for a laptop with a basically brand-new (so not rotted) stack but utterly refuse to document anything beyond the absolute basics - this is the world's largest tech company, from which I conclude that t…

Intel refuse to document significant portions of their technology, and Linux works less well on their platforms as a result. They definitely do a better job of documenting things than Apple, but I'd really frame this as a difference in degree rather than in kind.

Post by saagarjha » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 12:35 PM UTC

p_l wrote: post #113

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I guess we could fairly call it a undocumented or obscure garden? But there's no real designed wall there. Apple aren't preventing anything, they're just not helping us out either. Agree it would be nice for them to help out a little, but it's really not the same thing.

IIRC, it turned out that ability to run non Apple OSes depends on one person who implemented it and is responsible for it. It wasn't part of any road map for M1

Post by xorcist » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 12:43 PM UTC

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Running an alternative OS "natively" on a Mac doesn't seem very appealing to me. It's almost guaranteed you will never fully get Wi-Fi, audio, graphics acceleration, the trackpad, etc. working flawlessly, especially on the M1 where almost every component is Apple proprietary and it's not a matter of loading, say, some common Intel graphics driver. On the other hand, virtualization _already_ lets you run whatever arm6…

Most laptops are more or less in the same situation as M1. Maybe they different quantitatively, but not qualitatively: devices do not have (sufficient) specs available and people need to reverse engineer them if you want to run any free OS on them. Yet people want to do that and often manage. Why is M1 different? What I really would like to see is hardware manufacturers (Apple and anybody else) releasing the specs, s…