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Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

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Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

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Fascinating. As a child, I semi-reluctantly learned vedic chanting when staying with relatives over the summer. It was very interesting to understand the “algorithms” behind the techniques they used to have us memorize each “shlok”. As the author says, these served an important purpose to transmit knowledge to future generations when writing materials and books were scarce and delicate.

The idea that memorization was used due to a lack of writing material is just a modern and shallow interpretation. The ancients considered written text as less authentic, and rightly so. Oral knowledge is spread among the populance and can not be destroyed or distorted by few actors.

you've obviously never played the game of telephone.

If anything, purely relying on oral transmission means that the further that knowledge moves away from its source, the further variations and slight changes that will occur... intentionally or unintentionally. It is the reason why when you try to collect old folk tales or mythological stories, it is difficult to figure out the canonical version of it.

Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

#32

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It seems increasingly obvious to me that memorization and learning play a really important role in maintaining basic intellectual standards. Everything can’t be googled and even if it could be, retrieval isn’t equivalent to knowledge. Having personally memorized a lot of things via Anki, there is a noticeable difference when you can “chew on” something mentally at a subconscious level.

Any tips for using anki?

Sure!

1. Use Cloze cards, not regular ones. Much more powerful. Also learn the shortcut for applying the Cloze label to a text selection.

2. Always create your own cards. I never download premade ones.

3. Break down things into small pieces. Cards should only be a sentence or two maximum.

4. Use audio, images, and animated gifs. Especially with languages, adding audio files to the cards is a game changer.

5. Create a deck for small random things and add them occasionally. For example, I can understand the alphabets in various foreign languages because I added the letters to Anki a few years ago.

6. Try adding stuff that you wouldn’t normally consider “necessary to memorize.” For example, a daily journal entry and notes from books you’ve read. Spaced Repetition guarantees that you will remember them over time. I try to do this with every book I read.

Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

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The idea that memorization was used due to a lack of writing material is just a modern and shallow interpretation. The ancients considered written text as less authentic, and rightly so. Oral knowledge is spread among the populance and can not be destroyed or distorted by few actors.

you've obviously never played the game of telephone. If anything, purely relying on oral transmission means that the further that knowledge moves away from its source, the further variations and slight changes that will occur... intentionally or unintentionally. It is the reason why when you try to collect old folk tales or mythological stories, it is difficult to figure out the canonical version of it.

We live in a culture that makes zero effort towards teaching memorization techniques. I’m sure if you had a bunch of memory champions play telephone, the end result would be pretty accurate.

Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

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The article focuses on texts of Hinduism but I don’t understand the criticism. The article seems to accurately describe how vedic verses were memorized using simple techniques like chunking and chaining. The author starts by pointing out that pretty much everyone uses these techniques to memorize phone numbers, so I don’t see any surreptitious glorification of religion here.

Maybe I am missing something but where is the criticism?

It’s a reply to a dead comment about Hindu nationalists.

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I disagree. The key difference is here is that language sanskrit is unlike any other languages in the world. Somewhere during 400 BC. a grammarian named Panini formalized Sanskrit grammar as precise, formally defined 4200 rules. This book called `Ashtadhyayi` or 18 chapters was an exhaustive book of Sanskrit grammar and remains so even today. Panini defined a meta language to define Sanskrit grammar. What this meant…

While what you say is true for Sanskrit is true, that Sanskrit is in a way fixed, it doesn't mean Sanskrit stopped evolving, it has certainly evolved since the time of Panini, just evolved in a way that doesn't break the rules set up by Panini. That however is a topic for another discussion as the vedas aren't composed in Paninian Sanskrit. As for the vedas, specifically Rigveda (which is the only one I can comment o…

> it has certainly evolved since the time of Panini, just evolved in a way that doesn't break the rules set up by Panini.

This is important. This constraint alone helps oral traditions a great deal.

Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

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you've obviously never played the game of telephone. If anything, purely relying on oral transmission means that the further that knowledge moves away from its source, the further variations and slight changes that will occur... intentionally or unintentionally. It is the reason why when you try to collect old folk tales or mythological stories, it is difficult to figure out the canonical version of it.

We live in a culture that makes zero effort towards teaching memorization techniques. I’m sure if you had a bunch of memory champions play telephone, the end result would be pretty accurate.

Memory isn't the faculty that makes errors in that game, the errors come from misunderstanding and that's true for any oral and written text, but in the case of writing the misunderstanding doesn't mutate the original.

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Any tips for using anki?

Sure! 1. Use Cloze cards, not regular ones. Much more powerful. Also learn the shortcut for applying the Cloze label to a text selection. 2. Always create your own cards. I never download premade ones. 3. Break down things into small pieces. Cards should only be a sentence or two maximum. 4. Use audio, images, and animated gifs. Especially with languages, adding audio files to the cards is a game changer. 5. Create a…

Is there a way to store the database on my own server instead of the anki servers?

Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

#38

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Sure! 1. Use Cloze cards, not regular ones. Much more powerful. Also learn the shortcut for applying the Cloze label to a text selection. 2. Always create your own cards. I never download premade ones. 3. Break down things into small pieces. Cards should only be a sentence or two maximum. 4. Use audio, images, and animated gifs. Especially with languages, adding audio files to the cards is a game changer. 5. Create a…

Is there a way to store the database on my own server instead of the anki servers?

If you never create an Anki web account, I don’t think your data ever hits their servers at all. The app itself is a downloadable. Unfortunately then you won’t be able to sync across devices.

If you google around, I’m sure there is a solution to this problem somewhere.

Now that I think of it, I suppose you could export your decks then import them manually on a separate desktop /laptop. Not sure if that would work on mobile.

Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

#39
post #3

Fascinating. As a child, I semi-reluctantly learned vedic chanting when staying with relatives over the summer. It was very interesting to understand the “algorithms” behind the techniques they used to have us memorize each “shlok”. As the author says, these served an important purpose to transmit knowledge to future generations when writing materials and books were scarce and delicate.

The idea that memorization was used due to a lack of writing material is just a modern and shallow interpretation. The ancients considered written text as less authentic, and rightly so. Oral knowledge is spread among the populance and can not be destroyed or distorted by few actors.

But ironnically, chants themselves get slightly changed / deformed through generations. Especially because recent generations have not learned Sanskrit, and in fact many people who practiced them, while being Brahmins, had other occupations such as agriculture and accounting etc..

Few days ago, had to explain someone some word that they mispronounced was actually pronounced as something else and what it meant in Sanskrit. (Had to learn some Sanskrit in high school).

The practices & customs are good only as long as the reasons / meaning are known. Otherwise they become superstitions. How many of your Indian priests actually study Upanishads? For most of them it's a job that brings food to the ~~table~~ banana leaf.

Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

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The idea that memorization was used due to a lack of writing material is just a modern and shallow interpretation. The ancients considered written text as less authentic, and rightly so. Oral knowledge is spread among the populance and can not be destroyed or distorted by few actors.

If you have a long text and it is corrupted, it’s really hard to tell, particularly before the invention of checksums. Is this a hapax legomenon or did someone just misspell a word? Even things that should be clear like “is this part of the text or part of the commentary on the text” get murky: there are several parts of the Bible where scholars will say things like, we think this was meant to be an explanatory comme…

Chants were not random data though. They had meanings in Sanskrit, (very similar to poems) and there were grammatical rules (called Chhandas). The deformation happened mostly after the practicing class stopped learning Sanskrit language and blindly memorized them.
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