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Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by Teever »

btilly wrote: post #20
tenpies wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Canadians citizenship ceremony to me was fascinating, because it begins with an aboriginal land acknowledgement. The statement is quite literally "the very ground we're standing on doesn't even belong to us, but here we are saying that you are a citizen of . . . clearly not the land". Their demographic experiment is also very interesting. About 10% of all Canadians don't actually live in Canada - that is an extre…

The Canadians citizenship ceremony to me was fascinating, because it begins with an aboriginal land acknowledgement. Since when? I grew up in Canada and obtained citizenship there in 1990. (After the USA decided that they were sick and tired of losing dual citizenship cases in the Supreme Court and stopped pursuing them.) There was no such acknowledgement of the ceremony that I took part in. Incidentally my children…

I would imagine that this is a recent thing introduced by the Liberal government under Justin Trudeau.

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Post by joubert »

Animats wrote: post #13
Causality1 wrote: post #2

Multiple-citizenship has always been fascinating to me. For example, most countries oaths of citizenship are worded in such a way that preclude loyalty split between them and another, yet they don't prevent or punish their citizens for holding dual citizenship.

Yes. The US used to be quite strict about this. It still is if you acquire US citizenship by naturalization. "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen " The deal for people who are already US citizens is easier.

> It still is if you acquire US citizenship by naturalization.

No. Notwithstanding the strong language, US law does not require you to relinquish your old citizenship when you naturalize. https://www.usa.gov/become-us-citizen

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Post by refurb »

btilly wrote: post #20
tenpies wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Canadians citizenship ceremony to me was fascinating, because it begins with an aboriginal land acknowledgement. The statement is quite literally "the very ground we're standing on doesn't even belong to us, but here we are saying that you are a citizen of . . . clearly not the land". Their demographic experiment is also very interesting. About 10% of all Canadians don't actually live in Canada - that is an extre…

The Canadians citizenship ceremony to me was fascinating, because it begins with an aboriginal land acknowledgement. Since when? I grew up in Canada and obtained citizenship there in 1990. (After the USA decided that they were sick and tired of losing dual citizenship cases in the Supreme Court and stopped pursuing them.) There was no such acknowledgement of the ceremony that I took part in. Incidentally my children…

I was going to say, the current oath doesn’t have that in there at all.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/co...

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Post by the_local_host »

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #18
eric4smith wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speak for yourself :-) Multiple passports, in 2021 gives you options that are invaluable. You can establish homes in 3 countries. In case of emergency in one country you can go to another 2. You can enter countries that exclude citizens with one or more passports. There is so much to be thankful for with multiple citizenships. The one major downside is U.S. Taxes. Be very grateful to your parents and self-initiative.

I have only a French passport so far, and I can settle in 31 countries without any issues. Sometimes you just get the right one ;-)

By "settle", do you mean "visa not required", or permanent residency?

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Post by disabled »

I am a dual citizen of the United States and Croatia (European Union citizen). I am culturally American, and I have spent the vast majority of my life in the US.

I left the US about a month before the lockdowns started. I have been living in Croatia for the past year. I can technically live/work/retire in any EU/EFTA country (minus Lichtenstein--has an immigration quota), due to having Freedom of Movement rights. In a lot of ways the world is my oyster.

Being a dual citizen has some unique advantages: I can also work a US based job, remotely in the EU, completely legally. I have pretty severe health problems, so being able to work remotely in the EU for a US based company is a huge deal. I just have to get the US based employer to agree to use a payroll company as an intermediary to deal with payroll taxes. Obviously I forfeit EU workers' rights.

But, it is way, way, less stressful living here, just in general. Americans have no idea. The taxes are worth the peace of mind along with the stability it gives society.

I naturalized as Croatian only for the right to healthcare: I have 2 rare immune-mediated neurological diseases affecting my peripheral nervous system, which is in remission. I require many unusual treatments and medications, which are difficult to access in the US, for a variety of reasons. Some of these interventions are life-and-death.

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Post by djrogers »

refurb wrote: post #17
Animats wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The US used to be quite strict about this. It still is if you acquire US citizenship by naturalization. "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen " The deal for people who are already US citizens is easier.

The US does not require you to give up any other citizenship if you get US citizenship by naturalization.

This. I personally know of multiple instances of Canadians being able to retain their Canadian citizenship after becoming a naturalized US citizen.

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Post by oh_sigh »

Where does the power of the dual citizenship come from? If I have a passport each to two countries A and B, and am attempting to enter country C - is the benefit that I can present myself as a citizen of B and will be bound by some B-C covenants, regardless of whether I am a citizen of A, or is it from the fact that C doesn't know that I'm associated with A and only knows about my B loyalty because of the passport I presented?

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Post by audiometry »

disabled wrote: post #25

I am a dual citizen of the United States and Croatia (European Union citizen). I am culturally American, and I have spent the vast majority of my life in the US. I left the US about a month before the lockdowns started. I have been living in Croatia for the past year. I can technically live/work/retire in any EU/EFTA country (minus Lichtenstein--has an immigration quota), due to having Freedom of Movement rights. In…

Being a us dual citizen has the disadvantage of continuing to owe income tax to the USA even while living in Europe. Also many international banks cringe at opening accounts with “us persons” because it exposes them to a lot of onerous requirements. Can make banking somewhat a pain.

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Post by tkgally »

tardismechanic wrote: post #6

"The Indian Citizenship Act, 1955, does not allow dual citizenship." So that's not an option for 1.32 Billion people.

Japan also does not allow its adult citizens to have other nationalities. Those who have Japanese and another nationality from birth are required to choose one after reaching adulthood or risk losing their Japanese nationality [1]. Those acquiring Japanese nationality are also required to renounce other nationalities if possible [2, Article 5].

I know someone who was born in the Soviet Union and, after living in Japan for many years, became a Japanese citizen. She had problems renouncing her previous citizenship because the country where she was born no longer existed; she said she had to bribe someone at the Russian Embassy to get the necessary documentation. She also mentioned being detained and questioned when trying to enter Canada on her Japanese passport for a short stay because the Canadian immigration officials thought she didn’t look Japanese. She had no similar difficulties when trying to enter Japan itself.

[1] http://www.moj.go.jp/ENGLISH/information/tcon-01.html

[2] http://www.moj.go.jp/ENGLISH/information/tnl-01.html

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