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How and why I stopped buying new laptops

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Re: How and why I stopped buying new laptops

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Yes, this movement is called quarterly reports.

No. Apple is doing a wonderful job of making old hardware work for a long time. It's just that there is a limit to how far you can take this while also keep innovating and pushing the envelope.

I got 7 years out of my first Mac laptop and 10 out of my second.

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Yes, this movement is called quarterly reports.

No. Apple is doing a wonderful job of making old hardware work for a long time. It's just that there is a limit to how far you can take this while also keep innovating and pushing the envelope.

I don't think that's a valid point to make now. A 2013 macbook is a fundamentally different machine, much more modular. For the all soldered machines, ultra compact, we simply don't have the data. And for real "repair" meaning you rip out everything and replace with a new board "module" isn't exactly sustainable design. You are extrapolating apples to oranges.

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Recently I bought an used laptop from 2013 for 160€ and updated the RAM to 16GB. It would have been perfect, except it was a thin laptop with a U-suffix CPU. I did not know U used to mean it is much slower than M :(

Now I am stuck. Not bad enough to replace it immediately, but not good enough to work efficiently

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This certainly wins for lowest cost, but I don't think it wins for lowest environmental impact - the spares reduce much of the benefit

If the author makes it to 10 years with these 3 laptops from 2006, it will add 3.3 years of lifespan to each laptop. Assuming the prior owners used them for 3-5 years, this endeavor extends the lifespan per laptop to 6.3 - 8.3 years, so I think buying new in 2017 and running with it until 2027 wins in terms of useful life per laptop.

I don't know if the energy usage of operation over 10 years is significant compared to the energy usage of manufacturing, but a 2017 laptop would be dramatically more efficient than a 2006 laptop (assuming the same software running on both).

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That's a good thing. People who want to spend money on shiny machines (I'll probably get the next M1 iteration) pay a premium they're happy to pay, while a secondary market for previous iterations grows to satisfy price-conscious users.

This is exactly the way the car market works, except you can't (yet) lease a new laptop for three years.

Seems to me over the last couple decades most laptops have been designed to last only two years.

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No. Apple is doing a wonderful job of making old hardware work for a long time. It's just that there is a limit to how far you can take this while also keep innovating and pushing the envelope.

I don't think that's a valid point to make now. A 2013 macbook is a fundamentally different machine, much more modular. For the all soldered machines, ultra compact, we simply don't have the data. And for real "repair" meaning you rip out everything and replace with a new board "module" isn't exactly sustainable design. You are extrapolating apples to oranges.

We still use my 2013 macbook air, it’s a good as new. Completely non-modular, the only thing we have replaced, and the only thing that can be replaced, is the battery. Just like in 2021. Modular macbooks are even older, maybe pre-2012?

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Running 2011 macbook as mostly daily driver, was daily driver for much of its life, has run linux most of its life.

The only thing keeping me from getting apple silicon right now is 8gb of ram. I mean I don't even have an option to upgrade. i don't care how much apple has optimized the architecture. If you make your is require like 4gbs idle, 8gbs is not enough for the other stuff I use. Also the fact that they don't even offer 1tb memory sub 2k right now is a joke. I know they milk people but this is ridiculous.

The M1 Apple laptops are available with 16gb of ram?

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> I grumpily ordered a replacement key for 15 euros. In the months after that, replacement keys became a recurring cost. After spending more than 100 euros on plastic keys, which would soon break again, I calculated that my keyboard had 90 keys and that replacing them all just once would cost me 1,350 euros. Am I missing something, or can an entire replacement keyboard not be had for ~32 EUR? https://www.amazon.com/R…

you are missing something. I stopped buying t430 keyboards after the second broke. the machine is still up and running but with an external keyboard.

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This is exactly the way the car market works, except you can't (yet) lease a new laptop for three years.

I don't know where you live but companies have been leasing computer equipment for decades. Usually for 3 to 5 years or monthly for special projects. Over 20 years ago I joined a company as Director of IT. In the first 10 days I cancelled several thousands of dollar of monthly leases of equipment that siting unused from projects that were over but not returned. Nobody looked at the leases while the Directors position…

That's super interesting. I was thinking about consumer laptops, where in this analogy your thing would be more like car company fleet sales. I'm fascinated this business model is alive and well well into the cloud era!
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