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United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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I have wondered in the past if the benefits of a 'jettison damaged engine' feature would outweigh the risks.

They are mounted using shear pins - so if they somehow malfunction so much that they would break the wing, they fall off instead. Self-jettisoning if you want. Here are some examples

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/24935/have-jet-...

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

#172

Almost identical incident happened 3 years ago - the same type (B777-200), the same engine (PW4077), the same operator (United Airlines), the same side (right engine), the same failure (unconfined engine failure). https://avherald.com/h?article=4b4e8ca7&opt=0 I would not be surprised if the whole fleet of this type/engine gets grounded for some time.

Korean Air had an incident in 2016 where a PW4000 on a Boeing 777 disintegrated during takeoff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_2708?wprov=s...

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not clear to me that you'd design a commercial turbofan aircraft with one engine if you eliminated reliability requirements. You need to feed air to the engine and, to the degree you have wings, might as well have 2 engines.

The idea that the engines need to sit on the wings like they do is something seems important, because it's so often done, but is actually not necessary. You can put a single engine in the tail, or on top of the cabin, or on the top of the cockpit, or underneath. They go on the wings because when you need two (for redundancy) it's a good place to put them for balance, and because it makes them nicely accessible for ma…

> it's so often done

The MD-80 had two rear engines and was a fairly popular plane. A lot of smaller jets still have rear engines, too.

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

#174
post #124

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And I’m supposed to fly on a 777-200 to Denver operated by United in just a few days. Yay!

At least it's unlikely to be that 777-200.

That specific plane will go through a lot of rebuilding, checks, thorough investigation, etc. Given a choice, I'd take that plane over another one.

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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post #134

That quoted ground observer. Do they work for the NTSB or something? I am 110% certain that if I saw a plane on fire in the sky, I would not have the presence of mind to remember the term "cloud deck", let alone the rest of those details. Ground observer: "Good sir, I do say that the cloud deck was quite low so I didn't get a good look, but the engine was mildly louder than usual, and possibly had smoke, but perhaps…

I expect the person interviewed is a pilot?

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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post #134

That quoted ground observer. Do they work for the NTSB or something? I am 110% certain that if I saw a plane on fire in the sky, I would not have the presence of mind to remember the term "cloud deck", let alone the rest of those details. Ground observer: "Good sir, I do say that the cloud deck was quite low so I didn't get a good look, but the engine was mildly louder than usual, and possibly had smoke, but perhaps…

You'd be surprised. Years back, I saw what looked to be a near midair collision, including a smoke trail from one of the involved aircraft, and watched for a while from the front right seat of the Jeep my boss was driving us to a job site in. Presence of mind isn't really an issue. You're more just trying to understand and follow what you're seeing.

Today, of course, I'd be watching through my 500mm lens and taking pictures all the while. This was long before I got back into photography, though, and long before you could get a 500mm tele that didn't cost as much as a car. Even so, it was interesting, not frightening - remember that the sky is a long way away, and so are most things that happen there, weather notwithstanding.

Never did find out what actually happened.

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

#177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that the engines need to sit on the wings like they do is something seems important, because it's so often done, but is actually not necessary. You can put a single engine in the tail, or on top of the cabin, or on the top of the cockpit, or underneath. They go on the wings because when you need two (for redundancy) it's a good place to put them for balance, and because it makes them nicely accessible for ma…

> it's so often done The MD-80 had two rear engines and was a fairly popular plane. A lot of smaller jets still have rear engines, too.

Not sure what you mean? I didn't say it was always done. In fact the point I was making was that it wasn't always done. I gave my own counter-examples. It's just when people look at modern planes they always see two engines and think that's the way it has to be. It clearly isn't.

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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post #120

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The same point could be made without sarcasm. Would you object, then?

Without the sarcasm it would just be restating exactly what the parent comment said. I agree with the OP: if we disapprove of posts that only say “same” or “me too” we should probably also discourage posts that dress exactly that in sarcasm.

Sarcasm is also somewhat passive-aggressive.

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

#180
post #102

You can hear the air/ground communications for this flight here via LiveATC.net. The pilots declare an emergency and then a mayday call beginning at 1:15 of the audio. https://forums.liveatc.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1...

Curious, I had always heard it should be repeated 3 times, but here they’re consistently repeating just twice.

It’s slightly different for marine radio, where it follows the MIRPDANIO mnemonic you might be thinking of that?
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