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United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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Post by IgorPartola »

secfirstmd wrote: post #54
IgorPartola wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What, you don’t like the anchor people on TV asking each other how they feel about every piece of news and making horrible puns at every opportunity? Or having expected announcements be reported as BREAKING NEWS?

As a European who tuned in to US News for the US election I thought that was crazy. I'd watch a few of the right media orgs to see what they were saying and then stay on CNN/MSNBC etc for most of it. It's mad how so much of it every hour was essentially people just regurgitating stuff to fill the time. I mean OK what's happening is important but if you can't fill the airtime why not shift to other news (as in everyth…

My favorite is lately CNN posts an article outlining what the new administration is planning on doing the next few days. Then when they do every part of it, they post a BREAKING NEWS article about that item. Like, I, a very causal reader of the news, knew it was going to happen. Who is it a surprise to?

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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Post by da_big_ghey »

just_steve_h wrote: post #30

I worked at a Large Internet Infrastructure Company for a long time, and saw software development practices that made my hair curl. All I could think was, "Gee, I'm glad we're not working on aviation software!" Seriously, though: software "engineering" could actually earn the name, if we had rigorous professional standards, regulatory oversight, and product liability.

Exists for these reasons secure coding standards, MISRA and BARR and others. If we had same restrictions as other engineering profession maybe we still use COBOL. In important places with big safety concern we follow better guidelines, in webshit front end are do more, not so much concern with a mistaking. This is the best way, the allow of breaking in unimportant but make rule in important.

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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Post by geff82 »

ortusdux wrote: post #36

I have wondered in the past if the benefits of a 'jettison damaged engine' feature would outweigh the risks.

Pilot here. You always want to keep the engine for the reason of weight and balance and aerodynamical integrity.

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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Post by divbzero »

larkinrichards wrote: post #11

I really appreciate focused news sites like avherald. Just the facts, a collection of photos and videos, straightforward. The video of the landing & the passengers cheering—- that huge sigh of relief. Brings a smile to my face.

The straightforward captions are also delightful:

> The aircraft seen in flight

> The engine inlet in a garden

> Engine debris on the Broomfield soccer field

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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Post by bonestamp2 »

mrfusion wrote: post #23
xxpor wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily flight plans are always required to be within a certain number of minutes of a place to land, and are certified to operate on one engine for that period. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS

How do you account for oceans?

You stay close to land as much as possible. For example, LA to Tokyo, you basically fly up the west coast, give Canada's west coast a high five, and then come around below Alaska. It's less direct than it could be, but it's much safer in the event of an emergency.

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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Post by danaliv »

just_steve_h wrote: post #51
ortusdux wrote: post #36

I have wondered in the past if the benefits of a 'jettison damaged engine' feature would outweigh the risks.

It's unclear what benefit there would be. On the other hand, instantly changing the balance of the aircraft by jettisoning a large mass from one wing would almost certainly make the aircraft uncontrollable. An American Airlines DC-10 crashed after takeoff from Chicago in 1979 (?), after one engine separated from the wing. At the time, it was the deadliest crash in the US.

The loss of control in that accident was caused by slat asymmetry. Removing an engine, by itself, wouldn’t be enough to induce loss of control.

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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Post by doomrobo »

secfirstmd wrote: post #54
IgorPartola wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What, you don’t like the anchor people on TV asking each other how they feel about every piece of news and making horrible puns at every opportunity? Or having expected announcements be reported as BREAKING NEWS?

As a European who tuned in to US News for the US election I thought that was crazy. I'd watch a few of the right media orgs to see what they were saying and then stay on CNN/MSNBC etc for most of it. It's mad how so much of it every hour was essentially people just regurgitating stuff to fill the time. I mean OK what's happening is important but if you can't fill the airtime why not shift to other news (as in everyth…

I think the answer is don't watch TV news if you can help it. If 100% of their revenue comes from ads, then their incentives are clear: keep you watching no matter what.

The way I see it, written news at least has a wider range of options, and the subscription model means they have slightly less incentive to be so manipulative.

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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Post by nowandlater »

secfirstmd wrote: post #54
IgorPartola wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What, you don’t like the anchor people on TV asking each other how they feel about every piece of news and making horrible puns at every opportunity? Or having expected announcements be reported as BREAKING NEWS?

As a European who tuned in to US News for the US election I thought that was crazy. I'd watch a few of the right media orgs to see what they were saying and then stay on CNN/MSNBC etc for most of it. It's mad how so much of it every hour was essentially people just regurgitating stuff to fill the time. I mean OK what's happening is important but if you can't fill the airtime why not shift to other news (as in everyth…

The PBS News Hour is pretty solid, https://www.youtube.com/user/PBSNewsHour

The weekly videos from Robert Wright & Mickey Kaus on Bloggingheads Tv is pretty good too. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeamuoYuBeRnRRbmq5CmjVg

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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Post by starpilot »

just_steve_h wrote: post #30

I worked at a Large Internet Infrastructure Company for a long time, and saw software development practices that made my hair curl. All I could think was, "Gee, I'm glad we're not working on aviation software!" Seriously, though: software "engineering" could actually earn the name, if we had rigorous professional standards, regulatory oversight, and product liability.

You just don't need that in software when most of the industry is low consequence. It's only losing money at most tech companies, not killing your coworkers. This hasn't happened to me personally, but it's not cool when Rob the test pilot, whose family you've hung out with and that you've gone on hikes with, literally dies next day in a fiery crash. But that's the risk any test pilot accepts.
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