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Google and many of the other tech giants have played a big role in creating and indulging these activists - this is chickens coming home to roost.
I agree Google & "Big Tech" enables them. How does Big Tech create them, though? Universities seem to be filling that role.
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Damore posted his stupid screed all over the place for months. He posted it to mailing lists, he printed it out and waved it around at conferences.
Maybe you are right, I was working in Switzerland, not in US. What I remember clearly though is that Google's training contained material about how I am allowed to socialize with coworkers outside work, which may be allowed in the US, but it was clearly against the Swiss constitution (my job security was more important to me than speaking up about this though)
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The image doesn't say anything about a script or Gebru. "multiple external accounts" could mean her own and her lawyer's.
Neither of which is acceptable. If she or her lawyers want their own copies of emails outside the company, they can apply to a court.
They also seem to have sidelined Samy Bengio (Yoshua's brother) who was the skip-level manager of the team and, as far as I can tell, backed both of them and continued to: https://twitter.com/L_badikho/status/1362892301979312128 As can be seen above, current team members state that Google is running a smear campaign against both of them. We should emphatically not take Google's words at face value here either. All of…
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The legal way to handle that is for Dr. Gebru to sue Google and get the emails through discovery. (If Google didn't do anything that Gebru can/is willing to sue over, well, she doesn't have any legal right to the emails.) Exfiltrating confidential documents will get you fired, and saying you did it to assist a friend in badmouthing your employer on Twitter is not going to help matters.
> legal way to handle that is for Dr. Gebru to sue Google and get the emails through discovery The not-quite-legal but defensible way might also involve openly forwarding those emails to her lawyer. Sending them anywhere else removes the shadow of doubt one needs when strategically but willfully violating a contract.
In any case, I would not do this in any form unless my lawyer said it was a good idea first.
But I would also not post a poorly worded rant, with strange footnotes, trashing my employer, on my employer's own document-hosting service, and publicize it on Twitter as soon as I suspect I'm in trouble, so what do I know.
[Edit:] I mean reckless because the email could theoretically be intercepted in transit.
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Neither of which is acceptable. If she or her lawyers want their own copies of emails outside the company, they can apply to a court.
So,if you are being abused by your boss via email, you can't give the evidence to a lawyer, but first have to apply for a court order without showing any evidence in order to get the evidence? I think this is unlikely to be the law, and if it is, it shouldn't be.
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The image doesn't say anything about a script or Gebru. "multiple external accounts" could mean her own and her lawyer's.
Neither of which is acceptable. If she or her lawyers want their own copies of emails outside the company, they can apply to a court.
“After conducting a review of this manager’s conduct, we confirmed that there were multiple violations of our code of conduct, as well as of our security policies, which included the exfiltration of confidential business-sensitive documents and private data of other employees,” a Google spokesman said in a statement. This feels pretty cut and dry to me. Meg exported business material from the company. That a fire-abl…
The thing is, if a company wants to fire an employee they can usually find a reason. It takes extreme care for a person to work for any length of time at a company that wants to fire that person. The employee must change the behaviour that is causing the company to want to get rid of them. It is usually not expected people will change their behaviour and as such, HR and outside lawyers are always available to assist…
Speculation? Because she was good friends with Gebru, and was continuing the (internal) drama that they wanted stopped. Assuming that Jeff Dean actually took the right decision in firing Gebru (I tend to believe so) - Google really can't blink here; they'd be at the mercy of vocal employees if they did. It's basically a cancer-like situation, you either cut it all & apply radiotherapy (however unpleasant), or it will overwhelm & kill you.
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> > In other cases, a claimant may give notice of resignation which is contingent upon factors within the employer's control, such as hiring a replacement. The employer does not become the moving party by securing a replacement. The separation is still a voluntary quit. > This sentence makes it seem like California is one of those jurisdictions. She didn't provide a legal notice of resignation for California law, bec…
The question is "Did Google verifiably lie?" I'm not trying to prove she "voluntarily quit" vs was "discharged" via California law. I'm arguing that Google used resigned in a way that wasn't a lie, and referencing California law to show how it uses the word resignation, and is therefore a reasonable use of the word. Did Google use the word resigned in a reasonable way? 1. Gebru submitted a conditional resignation, an…
You can't first claim that you're not using California law in your argument, then immediately cliam that your arguement is based in California law.
Particularly when I explained how your undertanding of California law is mistaken, and doubly so when the crux of your misunderstanding is what a resignation consists of.
> ... California law says that conditional resignations count as resignations, as well as accelerating resignations(depending on pay) ...
_If_ it was a resignation in the first place, which requires the employee to set the end date. That is not this situation.
“After conducting a review of this manager’s conduct, we confirmed that there were multiple violations of our code of conduct, as well as of our security policies, which included the exfiltration of confidential business-sensitive documents and private data of other employees,” a Google spokesman said in a statement. This feels pretty cut and dry to me. Meg exported business material from the company. That a fire-abl…
Meanwhile, Timrit is spinning up more choas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1362886704361791488 At this point, I am moving past all this drama. This corporate soap opera televised on Twitter needs to cease. If the person fired thinks that it was illegal, they should settle this in the court with Google. A company can fire anyone for any reason that's legal just the way you can leave the company for…