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Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

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Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

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The chart here provides context: https://twitter.com/JohnStCapital/status/1362859527230672896 In case the tweet is deleted, a summary. Coinbase is now being valued at over half the combined market value of the companies that collectively own most major global markets outside of China. Those markets trade everything from currencies to stocks and bonds to commodities. For scale of asset pools: The value of all Bitcoins…

Something similar that intrigued me recently is that Airbnb is valued at more than all the USA publicly listed hotel chains put together (Marriott etc)

In that case, the comparison is between a capital-efficient tech company and a real estate management company where capital is tied up in real estate around the world.

If there's a similar distinction between the business models of Coinbase and e.g. CME Group, I have yet to hear it.

Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

#93
I see a lot of people talking about the market being in a bubble, and that they’re holding cash waiting for a crash.

Even if that’s true, I recently read about the bubble potentially “bursting up”: instead of prices coming crashing down, prices stay stagnant or grow slowly, while earnings grow quickly. The net result is the same (P/E ratios stabilize), but you lose out on a lot by staying out of the market.

Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

#94

No matter if you think we're in a bubble or if this valuation supports your view that we are in a bubble, at the end of the day we are all losers who have decided to spend our precious time on a Friday night glued to HN.

Talk about yourself, I am waiting for my build to finish compiling... (seriously)

while checking out HN, TikTok, Clubhouse and Facebook at the same time

Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The marketplace should not of itself be valuable. If it is, its extraction of value for the goods/utility being traded. Due to regulatory capture Coinbase gets away with charging literally 10x higher fees than international exchanges, as US regulations essentially ban Americans from trading on most of the popular international exchanges, so Coinbase has little competition.

Yea... that's a scaaaaam. Its not sustained value.

+1.

I do think that a $100B public company engaging in the activity makes a really strong case for regulatory reform. I would expect it to be straightforward for other markets to add crypto for US residents once Coinbase goes public. I don't know that I would want to own Coinbase stock once CME/ICE/CBOE have crypto exchanges with lower fees.

Coinbase could end up being the victim of its own success.

Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

#96
post #92

It's great for coinbase, but I don't understand why it's winning the competition. It's fees are incredible, and it doesn't even seem to offer basic features like limit orders.

Check out Coinbase Pro, also free and with better interface, features, and I think lower fees.

Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a lot of stimulus so assets are being inflated. It will pop at some point though and yea lots of people will get burned so don’t get too greedy on the ride up!

Stimulus isn't entirely responsible for this. Stimulus is partially offset by COVID losses. This is a market mania at this point. Everything thinks stimulus is all-powerful at this point, but there's a lot of FOMO going on too.

Since everyone thinks that buying stock is a good idea, stocks grow, and buying more stock becomes a rational decision, fueling the flame even more. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy — for some time. A crash-up before a crash-down.

Jumping off this train in time is what takes a real skill, not jumping on it.

Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

#98
One important thing to note is that these are secondary transactions and not where the stock may potentially trade.

Secondly, Coinbase doesn’t allow any secondary transactions, this was a company sponsored (approved) secondary. As a result this created immense scarcity so you can see how much the price changes just in these limited sales.

Third, as we saw with the last bull run of Bitcoin everything with blockchain in the name had a halo effect so there is definitely upward momentum.

Fourth, there is no Bitcoin tracking security on public markets. Obviously if Bitcoin succeeds so does Coinbase, this is an Avenue to get exposure to that without having to invest in Bitcoin directly and since Coinbase makes money on volatility which Bitcoin has a tremendous amount you get to ride the swings up and down by investing in Coinbase and not having exposure to Bitcoin directly. Investing in the shovels not the gold.

Eventually companies grow in to their valuations and that is determined by supply and demand and ultimately revenue and profits. Coinbase is still growing rapidly and profitable so in today’s market there will be a huge premium for that.

Technically it most closely resembles zoom from a financial perspective and from a capturing the trends perspective so while the valuation may seem high if Coinbase isn’t worth this then neither is zoom.

When will there be a market correction it’s impossible to know. We could have said the same thing for the post two years and it still hasn’t happened.

Don’t forget that getting yield outside of stocks is increasingly difficult and while we are on HN trapped in the echo chamber of tech and tech stocks when you look at the old staples like Coca-Cola they haven’t appreciated during this time.

Large mutual funds could be rebalancing their portfolios to move more into tech which they should have done from 2010 onwards but largely resisted outside of FAANG stocks.

The only thing that is certain is that this is a wild ride.

Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

#99

No matter if you think we're in a bubble or if this valuation supports your view that we are in a bubble, at the end of the day we are all losers who have decided to spend our precious time on a Friday night glued to HN.

I've got a 9 month old. when she sleeps, I'm catching up on the week
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