The ICE man is going to pump this so hard. Too bad his wife isn't still on the Senate oversight committee, but it wont matter
ICE man?
Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing
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Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing
#82After they cleansed themselves from toxic activist SJW leftist employees, it looks like they've only gone up.
Given the industry-wide reaction to Coinbase's apolitical policy last year and the peak of the political chaos of 2020, I doubt they considered staying.
In general, If you get woke, you'll only go broke.
Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
the nice thing with that bubble is that because it is manufactured by the Fed, you have an easy signal for when it has reached its top, just look at the weekly fed balance sheet: https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/bst_recenttren... And right now they are still printing more and more.
Fed contributes, but it's hardly a singular explainer for the current market mania. The chart you shared hasn't even changed significantly since July. The Fed didn't print enough money to buoy Tesla 1000% or send Bitcoin up 100% in a month. There's no mechanism directing money straight from the Fed into the riskiest assets. Market mania has taken hold.
Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing
#84It doesn't much matter to me if its crypto currency or real goods, when markets, stock exchanges float, I think we're insane. The marketplace should not of itself be valuable. If it is, its extraction of value for the goods/utility being traded. Its rent seeking. The only possible value derives from what is a tax on trades by volume and value, to NOT fund the engine which runs the trades. Sure Lloyd's of London is pr…
Due to regulatory capture Coinbase gets away with charging literally 10x higher fees than international exchanges, as US regulations essentially ban Americans from trading on most of the popular international exchanges, so Coinbase has little competition.
Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
why must it come down? there is no gravity.
All bubbles pop eventually. I think there's little doubt crypto is a bubble right now. Maybe it pops tomorrow, maybe it goes on for years. I don't know, nobody really does.
Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing
#86Low interest rates and secular trends justify this I guess?
Low interest rates don't effect whether a stock goes up or down. That is determined by earnings growth. Edit: Peter Lynch agrees with me. Instead of being a passive aggressive downvoting asshole leave a comment. https://youtu.be/UNrMnFM3VvE Edit: Lol, I can't respond to your comments because everyone downvoted my comment and HN rate-limited me. Later.
Lower interest rates enable growth in corporate debt, which has been used to buy back stock.
There is a direct connection between decades of lower rates, stock buy backs, and asset appreciation including stocks.
Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing
#87https://twitter.com/JohnStCapital/status/1362859527230672896
In case the tweet is deleted, a summary. Coinbase is now being valued at over half the combined market value of the companies that collectively own most major global markets outside of China. Those markets trade everything from currencies to stocks and bonds to commodities.
For scale of asset pools: The value of all Bitcoins ever mined just hit $1 trillion. The CME Group exchanges trade nearly 6x that daily. This funding values Coinbase ~50% higher than CME Group.
Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing
#88We're just at a point in the economy where it doesn't make sense to hold on to cash. It's just completely losing its value thanks to a long sustained QE. People are just putting their money into anything as a hedge - real estate, stocks, crypto, gold. Until the value of the at can be sustained and inflation comes back, it's unlikely much else will change.
We're not at that point, and I'm speaking as someone that supports a gold standard or equivalent to prevent rampant fiat debasement. I take it you didn't live through the 1970s. There have been numerous times in the past century where currency in major economies was prominently debased far worse, far faster than what we're seeing today. Sutained QE has done far less damage to the USD as one example, than what the 1970s did to it or the extreme destruction we saw during the George W Bush years (go to Google, type in "Belgium GDP", Netherlands GDP, Czech GDP, or Brazil GDP, almost any nation; you'll see a comical liftoff in their GDP chart, far beyond any real growth rates, that's the dollar getting massacred thanks to the idiotic fiscal policies during the GWB years).
Gold went from around $250 to $1900 over a little more than a decade from ~2000-2011, before sustained QE became a thing. In the 1970s it basically went up 1,000%. Not much has actually changed about how governments destroy currencies, it's the same old same old. Perma QE didn't change much, it's not a new tool, and nothing is very different today versus the past (except that so far this is a cakewalk compared to the destruction in the past; maybe it'll get a lot worse yet, of course).
You're better off holding cash than Tesla shares at $800 or $900. I'd rather take a 3% average debasement per year than sit in the S&P 500 at these levels (especially given what the US economy is going to look like in the coming decade). From these heights I'll bide my time for the next inevitable crash or significant decline, that's when the serious returns are generated, not chasing mania ever higher in markets at late stages. The big money was already made in Bitcoin, from $0 to $50,000; the upside from here is a joke by comparison to the risk. So it goes to $150,000 (maybe). That isn't a crazy return vs the outsized risk, that's the kind of return you could have gotten in any cloud stock after IPO. Yet it takes an extraordinary move of adding ~$2 trillion in market cap for Bitcoin to get there. The risk vs reward in Bitcoin at these levels is like a lot of absurdly overvalued stocks presently. And of course everyone becomes certain that something is fundamentally different today - it's not, this mania won't endure either (to be clear, we're not just in an asset bubble, this is a mania, the 8th or 9th inning of a bubble phase).
Significant inflation isn't coming back anytime soon (not until or unless they start devaluing the USD directly, but that isn't for at least 20 years yet), the US is in a heat-death stage of economic erosion. Ever greater sums of capital are being put into the freezer in the form of very low yielding debt, that process will continue to rob the US of dynamism and growth, trending growth toward zero as it goes. This is the exact same process Japan went through, and it's why they were unable to spark traditional inflation with their crazy spending and QE-like programs, they tried everything in the Keynesian book and it all failed (for the same reason the US didn't drown in inflation from 2010-2020 despite the rather insanely low interest rates over that time). We're not going to see a serious wave of inflation this decade now for the same reason we didn't the prior decade.
Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing
#89The chart here provides context: https://twitter.com/JohnStCapital/status/1362859527230672896 In case the tweet is deleted, a summary. Coinbase is now being valued at over half the combined market value of the companies that collectively own most major global markets outside of China. Those markets trade everything from currencies to stocks and bonds to commodities. For scale of asset pools: The value of all Bitcoins…
Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing
#90It doesn't much matter to me if its crypto currency or real goods, when markets, stock exchanges float, I think we're insane. The marketplace should not of itself be valuable. If it is, its extraction of value for the goods/utility being traded. Its rent seeking. The only possible value derives from what is a tax on trades by volume and value, to NOT fund the engine which runs the trades. Sure Lloyd's of London is pr…
>The marketplace should not of itself be valuable. If it is, its extraction of value for the goods/utility being traded. Due to regulatory capture Coinbase gets away with charging literally 10x higher fees than international exchanges, as US regulations essentially ban Americans from trading on most of the popular international exchanges, so Coinbase has little competition.